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Don't know if you folks have seen this lunacy yet.

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by 1337BaldEagle, Jan 29, 2014.

  1. 1337BaldEagle

    1337BaldEagle Earth Active Member

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  2. fd15k

    fd15k Tigard,OR Well-Known Member

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    Sounds like murder to me, especially under ORS.
     
  3. Dunerunner

    Dunerunner You'll Never Know Well-Known Member

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    Drunk or not, the kid was not following verbal instructions and continued up stairs. The threat was to Wilder’s girlfriend and he fired to stop the threat, even fired a warning to get the kids attention. Justifiable shoot.
     
  4. ZigZagZeke

    ZigZagZeke Eugene Silver Supporter Silver Supporter 2015 Volunteer

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    The "popular student-athlete and aspiring rapper" died of stupidity. He was falling down drunk and climbed in through a window of the wrong house. If a cop had shot him under the circumstances it would be a clean shoot.
     
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  5. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    Because he was shot in the back? He was walking up the stairs when the homeowner shot him, after repeatedly ordering him to leave.

    The process of natural selection is brutal sometimes, too bad the kid broke the law and participated in underage drinking... They should pass a law against that, if it can save just one life! :rolleyes:


    Raping someone because you were drunk... No excuse.

    Killing someone because you were drunk... No excuse.

    Robbing someone because you were drunk... No excuse.

    Assaulting someone because you were drunk... No excuse.

    Driving a car over two mothers because you were drunk... No excuse.

    Entering into the wrong house because you were drunk... No excuse.

    Voting for Obama because you were drunk... No excuse.
     
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  6. fd15k

    fd15k Tigard,OR Well-Known Member

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    Because there was no immediate threat. Or at least from the article I couldn't recognize one.
     
  7. Nwcid

    Nwcid Yakima and N of Spokane Well-Known Member

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    Nice to see most people are getting it from what I read in the comments. It is nice to see people getting tired of the "its not his fault" lines.
     
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  8. Caveman Jim

    Caveman Jim West of Oly Springer Slayer 2016 Volunteer

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    What you obviously do not take into consideration is the perp (drunk punk) was not following commands and ignored warnings!!!! What is it with you bunny huggers????
     
  9. ZigZagZeke

    ZigZagZeke Eugene Silver Supporter Silver Supporter 2015 Volunteer

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    So an intruder that may or may not be armed is headed up the stairs where your terrified family is hiding, and he refuses to respond to your commands to stop and leave the premises. No threat? Really?
     
  10. Nwcid

    Nwcid Yakima and N of Spokane Well-Known Member

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    I don't know how often you deal with people that have an ALTERED LEVEL of CONSCIOUSNESS but I can tell you that you have NO idea what they are going to do. I deal with them on a weekly basis from diabetics to drugs to alcohol to plain old psychiatric problems. The minute you think you know what they are going to do you will find out you are wrong.
     
  11. fd15k

    fd15k Tigard,OR Well-Known Member

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    An old lady with alzheimer's enters your house through an unlocked door and proceeds upstairs without responding to commands. Assessment of threat is complicated, but
    is required for the proper application of self-defence, and it defines the level of allowed force. Unless you're in Texas of course :D
     
  12. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    You break in here, you leave feet first
     
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    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    Seems a real disconnect..
     
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    fd15k Tigard,OR Well-Known Member

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    It would be interesting to learn of a self-defence case where jury accepted the fact of being drunk, high or mentally ill alone as an indication of imminent deadly threat.
    Otherwise I understand what you're saying.
     
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    fd15k Tigard,OR Well-Known Member

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    Real disconnect is in the "shoot first" mentality. Apply it once inappropriately, and expose your family to a whole world of hurt. Not to mention
    inability to be there for them when the real danger arises. Good luck!
     
  16. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    NO, you break into my home you go out wearing a toe tag. Maybe you value your family less, I do NOT
     
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  17. Nwcid

    Nwcid Yakima and N of Spokane Well-Known Member

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    Impossible since you never know for sure that "alone" is the issue until after the fact.

    Your in my house, not following commands, in an altered state how do I KNOW that is all that is going on? I don't, so I have so go worst case situation because I will not be the one losing.
     
  18. fd15k

    fd15k Tigard,OR Well-Known Member

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    All that matters is how a jury is going to look at it. If you're curious, look up some cases and see how they unrolled. Otherwise feel free to take your chances,
    and remember that use of deadly force is most definitely a lose-lose situation, whether you are right or wrong.
     
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    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    Chances? How about you hesitation giving your family much less of a chance?

    No, it's not lose/lose, that is folly, even legally. Do you live in NYC?
     
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    OLDNEWBIE State of Flux Well-Known Member

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    I thought he was a tall athletic male. A crazy guy walking up my stairs towards my family at 2am after warning him to stop might just have a weapon or be strong and crazy enough to strangle my kids before I can stop him. Should I wait until he's on top of my girlfriend before I take the shot? Sounds risky, I'm sorry, if I was armed I hope I would do the right thing quickly and not waste time 2nd guessing. Too bad the architect built all the houses the same, too bad his friend shoved him in the wrong window, too bad he was drinking underage. Too bad ABC news, too bad.