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Does the Govt. know I own guns?

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by doug, Sep 5, 2009.

  1. doug

    doug Tacoma Member

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    I was curious how much the government knows about mine and yours gun ownership. For instance, do they have the ability to know my legally purchased gun inventory, such as the make, model, ser. #'s , my name, address and just about everything I put on the purchase papers.
    So in short, are legally purchased guns already registered? So if the govt chooses to confiscate, tax or limit our guns, would they be able to know I am lying when I say , no guns in this household?
    It's my understanding that in the United Kingdom gun confiscation started with registration. Have we reached that point or are we just a small step from that type of registration?

    Thanks in advance for some education.....
     
  2. coctailer

    coctailer Portland, OR/Hastings, MI/Vancouver,WA I run with scissors.

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    All guns purchased through an FFL are registered and can be traced to you.

    That is what boating accidents are for.:laugh::laugh:
     
  3. BUZO71

    BUZO71 Emerald Valley, Oregon New Member

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    Ohhhhhhh boy..... I see this is gonna be one of THOSE threads. Here comes the tinfoil convention.
     
  4. Dan-Dee Sales Inc

    Dan-Dee Sales Inc Sweet Home, Oregon, United States Active Member

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    My understanding is that the Feds do not have that information and the State of Oregon can only keep the background check information for 5 years.
     
  5. bikemaniac1

    bikemaniac1 Portland Oregon Member

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    I'm all for supporting a local FFL but you gotta love the privacy of a private party sale.
     
  6. cameronhu

    cameronhu Ridgefield, Wa Member

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    Before we go too far down this road, it's important to point out that "the government" is a very nebulous term, and is by no means monolithic. There are many organizations at varying levels (federal, state, county, local, etc.) that seldom communicate well with each other. If we want to get anything useful out of this thread, I'd recommend using specific organizations in our discussion (.e.g. ATF, County Sheriff's office, National Endowment for the Arts, etc.)
     
  7. coctailer

    coctailer Portland, OR/Hastings, MI/Vancouver,WA I run with scissors.

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    There are many tangents this thread can go off.

    I think the point the OP is trying to make is:

    If the Government want to find your gun, can they do it?

    The answer is yes.

    The 4473s are retained until the FFL goes out of business. Then they are sent in to the ATF for storage.

    The Feds do not possess the info, but if they want to find your handgun, they have the ability to do so.

    (This only applies to legally purchased firearms through an FFL)

    OSP record keeping and NICS checks don't apply to the original question.
     
  8. coctailer

    coctailer Portland, OR/Hastings, MI/Vancouver,WA I run with scissors.

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    Only works if the seller doesn't see any identification from you. If the cops come to his door and said his firearm was used in a murder, you can be assured he will be letting them know who he sold the gun to.
     
  9. Randini

    Randini Salem Member

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    Oh no!!! is there a GPS chip hidden in my weapon...:paranoid:
     
  10. doug

    doug Tacoma Member

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    I got the information I needed from some good posts. I can't fiqure out how to close the thread so I will leave it too the option of the moderators, they have my approval to close it. Thanks.
     
  11. dario541

    dario541 medford, or 97504 Member

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    As a person who works at a store that sells firearms, I know this: In order to purchase a new or used firearm from a dealer, you must fill out the BATFE form 4473. You must provide some type of photo ID such as a driver's license. Then using this form, the seller must call the Oregon State Police to do a background check. The Police have the final say about purchasing a firearm from a dealer in Oregon. They can say "Yes", "No" or "Delayed". To delay means that they are seeking more information. This can take up to 6 months or more. However, if the dealer wants to do so, he can deliver the firearm to a delayed purchaser after three days if he hasn't heard from the Police by then. But if later the Police determine that this purchaser should not have a firearm, they can come to his home and sieze it. And, he will not get a refund from the seller because the Police will NOT return the firearm to the store that sold it. Forms 4473 must be retained by the seller for twenty years. If the BATFE wants to find a certain gun, they will go to the manufacturer, who will report the distributer who will in turn report which store finally sold the gun. The BATFE will then send a letter to the store demanding a copy of form 4473 be faxed to them within 24 hours. Then they will probably visit the person who purchased the firearm from the store demanding to know what happened to it after that. SO; dealer gun purchases can be easily traced. Private party purchases will be more difficult, especially if it is done "cash and carry", no ID shown.
     
  12. keitha300wsm

    keitha300wsm Lebanon, OR Member

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    I have bought and sold so many guns over the years, how would they know what I have unless I confess? I'm sure with my gun purchase history, they would want to search for them, if I said I didn't own any guns. The only guns they know I have for sure are the NFA stuff I had to fill out paperwork on and send to ATF w/$200 tax. Even after waiting 6 months for ATF approval, the dealer has to have me fill out standard OR form and call for state police permission to transfer the firearm. I don't believe there is much if any communication between ATF and local police, unless a serious crime had been commited. What worries me the most is a CA type law limiting firearm type and mag capacity, retroactively. I wonder what infringed means?
     
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