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Does a "small-frame" .22 1911 exist?

Discussion in 'Handgun Discussion' started by Stevie, Nov 14, 2010.

  1. Stevie

    Stevie Inner SE PDX Member

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    I love the .45, but I've shot a .22 conversion 1911 and that is a lot of fun also.....but there really is no need for such a large frame for .22.

    Many brands of pistols provide full size for large caliber, and also have a smaller frame version for .22, for practice, small hands, whatever (e.g., SIG with the Mosquito).

    Is there any small-frame .22 1911? I.e., exactly a 1911, but with every part a bit smaller?

    Would make a nice carry plinker....
     
  2. FriendOfEvanWilliams

    FriendOfEvanWilliams Juneau, Alaska Member

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    I think Llama makes some, but I'm not sure how small they are.
     
  3. MrNiceGuy

    MrNiceGuy between springfield and shelbyville Well-Known Member

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    The Llama Especial 22lr

    It was my first handgun, given to me by my grandfather. I still have it in the safe.

    this isnt my picture, and this is the .32acp model, but it'll give you an idea of size
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  4. Stevie

    Stevie Inner SE PDX Member

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    The Especial was made from 1954-1997.....

    They seem pretty rare in .22....they sell for about $330, from the auctions I found, which is pretty high, I think htey have entered the "collectible" category.

    I don't understand why there are no current .22 small frame 1911's around - everyone who had one of these Llamas (if it worked) loved it!
     
  5. MrNiceGuy

    MrNiceGuy between springfield and shelbyville Well-Known Member

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    It's a 1911 so... In order to be reliable, it'd be expensive... and there are already better, more accurate and reliable 22lr platforms on the market.

    My little llama works great with the right ammo... but it's nowhere near as accurate, versitile, or reliable as my ruger MKIII which I bought new for less than $300
     
  6. Stevie

    Stevie Inner SE PDX Member

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  7. larryh1108

    larryh1108 CT Member

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    I own the Llama .22LR and it is about a 2/3 scale of the 1911. It's about 21oz and all steel. It's a nice, little gun that is fun. It does prefer RN high velocity ammo. Llamas were made in Spain and the European ammo tended to run hotter. I run CCI Mini Mags and it eats them up. Yes, they go for $325-$350 but are worth it, IMO.

    Llama22ELeft1.jpg
     
  8. PinkhamR

    PinkhamR Altus, Oklahoma MSgt, USAF (Retired)-FFL Lifetime Supporter

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    The picture has been 'photoshopped' or else a giant is holding it .... LOL They are small, but not that tiny....

    Next to a full size 1911 .... also, the .22, .32, and .380 Llama's use the same frame ...

     
  9. PinkhamR

    PinkhamR Altus, Oklahoma MSgt, USAF (Retired)-FFL Lifetime Supporter

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    larryh1108, that is a very nice little LLama .... Congratz!
     
  10. larryh1108

    larryh1108 CT Member

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    Thanks, pink. Nice looking grips on yours! Shoot her yet?
     
  11. PinkhamR

    PinkhamR Altus, Oklahoma MSgt, USAF (Retired)-FFL Lifetime Supporter

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    Just a few times ... I don't want anything to break ..... ;)
     
  12. larryh1108

    larryh1108 CT Member

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    Awww, man, that's like saying you don't touch your trophy wife because you don't want to mess her makeup. All lookey and no touchy is no fun!
     
  13. asiparks

    asiparks PDX Active Member

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    The new Browning .22 1911 is about a 80% scale copy of the 1911....

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    Looky here...
     
  14. Stevie

    Stevie Inner SE PDX Member

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    Hey, that Browning looks great....a little pricey, but is the quality there? How does it shoot (accuracy, feeding), does it seem made well?
     
  15. PinkhamR

    PinkhamR Altus, Oklahoma MSgt, USAF (Retired)-FFL Lifetime Supporter

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    LOL, I am too busy with this ..... :)

    It has the threaded barrel too .... for my 'Can' ....​
     
  16. Stevie

    Stevie Inner SE PDX Member

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    Hmmm....the Browning is supposed to be in production first quarter of 2011....and sell for around $600 (I've seen some prices as low as about $540)....but the Kimber .22 Target sells for $700, not much more, is incredibly accurate and has a really nice trigger....it remains to be seen how this Browning will stack up...(I'd actually like a smaller frame for the .22, but not if the Kimber is much, much better built)..

    And yes, pinkhamr, we know how good the Ruger is, I shoot a Mark III in NRA Bullseye competition, but it just ain't a 1911. End of story.
     
  17. MrNiceGuy

    MrNiceGuy between springfield and shelbyville Well-Known Member

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    I've shot a kimber 22lr 1911... it was "nifty", but it's still not very accurate... and it's INCREDIBLY overpriced. If you're that set on a 22lr 1911, just buy a cheap 22lr upper and save yourself $400. The kimber is a $700 wannabe with all the accuracy and reliability of a mosquito.
     
  18. Stevie

    Stevie Inner SE PDX Member

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    Hmmm again....I was shooting a Kimber .22 Conversion on a .45 Kimber Custom II Target Stainless, and that was amazingly accurate....I wonder if the purpose-built .22 Kimber is very different...certainly the frame is (steel vs aluminium), but I would have thought that the slide & barrel would be the same.....but maybe not.

    I sold the .45 and .22 conversion (that was $$ overkill for a .22), now looking for something that is just a 1911-style .22....
     
  19. asiparks

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    There's nothing at all special about the dedicated Kimber .22.
    Aluminium frame and .22 upper slapped together, same barrels, slides, small parts
    Kimbers triggers randomly very between "outstanding" and "not disagreeable", without regard to price or model...
    The 22 should be pretty accurate. I have a Kimber and Ceiner .22 kits and they're both easily 1" at 25yrd from a bench with quality ammo. Mr NiceGuy may have had a dodgy one.

    I think your approach, Stevie, is the opposite of most peoples, where the .45 is the primary calibre, the .22 upper is secondary, for cheap practice and plinking.
     
  20. Stevie

    Stevie Inner SE PDX Member

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    Yeah, exactly right!
    ...I just decided that I was going to really focus on .22 (I do NRA Bullseye), and letting go of the .45 meant that I'd spend more time with the .22!
    But that doesn't mean I can't have a little fun, too, and a little 1911-style .22 would be a nice break from the big heavy target .22....