Washington Does a Muzzleloader now require an FFL?

[cbzdel]

I tried asking elsewhere and I am getting mixed results. I have a muzzleloader I would like to sell in WA yet I can not get a firm answer on if I need to go to an FFL or not. When I bought it several years, I got it online and they were able to ship it right to my house with no involvement of an FFL. Federally its not a firearm, but does Washington State consider it to be one? If it makes a difference its a CVA Optima NW Edition, which has the exposed musket cap. I also bought a 209 conversion kit for it and can now do both, but originally it was an exposed musket cap version if that makes a difference.

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[RX-79G]

I tried asking elsewhere and I am getting mixed results. I have a muzzleloader I would like to sell in WA yet I can not get a firm answer on if I need to go to an FFL or not. When I bought it several years, I got it online and they were able to ship it right to my house with no involvement of an FFL. Federally its not a firearm, but does Washington State consider it to be one? If it makes a difference its a CVA Optima NW Edition, which has the exposed musket cap. I also bought a 209 conversion kit for it and can now do both, but originally it was an exposed musket cap version if that makes a difference.

Is there some relevant law that changed, prompting you to think you no longer can buy one online? The first muzzleloader online sales site I looked at made it sound like they were still selling direct to WA residents.

 

[cbzdel]

What I was told on another website is that Washington calls a muzzleloader a firearms because it does not meet the definition of a antique or a replica. I looked on a hunting forum and many posts are saying its illegal within the state to buy a muzzleloader without an FFL but it is often ignored because federally its legal.

 

[RX-79G]

What I was told on another website is that Washington calls a muzzleloader a firearms because it does not meet the definition of a antique or a replica. I looked on a hunting forum and many posts are saying its illegal within the state to buy a muzzleloader without an FFL but it is often ignored because federally its legal.

Not that I could find looking online. I do think WA has made it so felon's can't buy muzzleloaders, but that doesn't mean they all have to go through FFLs.

 

[gunsmithkinks]

You can sell without going to any FFL. Blackpowder firearms are exempt unless they are built on a frame that takes modern cartridge barrels Interchangeably. You can also order them or sell and ship them, right to a buyers doorstep as long as the buyer is at least 18 yrs old.

 

[Alexx1401]

I tried asking elsewhere and I am getting mixed results. I have a muzzleloader I would like to sell in WA yet I can not get a firm answer on if I need to go to an FFL or not. When I bought it several years, I got it online and they were able to ship it right to my house with no involvement of an FFL. Federally its not a firearm, but does Washington State consider it to be one? If it makes a difference its a CVA Optima NW Edition, which has the exposed musket cap. I also bought a 209 conversion kit for it and can now do both, but originally it was an exposed musket cap version if that makes a difference.

I "think" the confusion here is the way a "firearm" is defined. The Fed's do not consider these to be one. WA state does in as far as you can not carry or use one anyplace you can not use a modern firearm. You can still order one by mail in WA and have it sent to you though. So the state has not made the sales go through a dealer.

 

[Andy54Hawken]

After re-reading the OP....

Federal law says no you don't
However Washington state law requires modern in-line muzzle loaders , such as the CVA in the OP , to have a BGC / FFL for a transfer.
Modern muzzle loaders like the CVA are not considered as antiques or replicas thereof in Washington state.
Thank you to those who voted for I-594

A CVA replica like their , so called "Hawken Rifle" will not require a FFL....
Since it is a copy ( sorta ) of an antique muzzle loading rifle.
Andy

 

[osprey]

I have bought several modern ml rifles in the fairly recent past in the state of WA. One was bought at a brick and mortar store in WA and a couple were mail ordered. None required any ffl involvement. Unless there has been a very recent change I am unaware of, I believe they are unregulated.

 

[osprey]

I just added a cva inline to my cart at Midway and began checkout to see and with one more push of a button, it would have been on the way to my door, so I am not sure what Andy speaks of? Midway usually errors on the side of caution and was well ahead of p80 curve. Evidently WA knows it is a toothless endeavor and is looking the other way maybe?

 

[Andy54Hawken]

Evidently WA knows it is a toothless endeavor and is looking the other way maybe?

This...and that it is a muzzle loader so most folks assume its not considered a modern firearm by some states.
Andy