Documentaries or footage of riots?

[CountryGent]

Yep, those are the episodes that I remember. Even the topics that "The American Experience" covers and sound completely boring have turned out to be very interesting. There is another series called "The Oregon Experience" which is similar but local to Oregon which is pretty good.

I've seen at least one episode of The Oregon Experience. The entry covered the Rajneeshpuram drama and may be seen here, for anyone so interested.

 

[MikeInOr]

I've seen at least one episode of The Oregon Experience. The entry covered the Rajneeshpuram drama and may be seen here, for anyone so interested.

If you have Netflix I HIGHLY recommend "Wild Wild Country."

Watch Wild Wild Country | Netflix Official Site

When a controversial cult leader builds a utopian city in the Oregon desert, conflict with the locals escalates into a national scandal.

www.netflix.com

It is a multi episode mini series about the Rajneeshees. I watched it with my daughter and we both loved it. It starts by presenting the utopian vision that formed the cult in a pretty favorable light. They even interview Shelia who is now living in Norway or Denmark or somewhere. Then they slowly start moving into the darker side of Rajneeshees until it gets to the point in time that things are so messed up that if it were a work of fiction everyone would think it was too preposterous of a script.

I remember living through that time period as a youth in the Portland suburbs and all the stories on the news but learned a whole lot from the mini series that I had no idea about. They really did an excellent job.

After watching the serries my daughter wanted to pretend to be interested in the Christian summer camp that bought the Rajneeshpuram campus so we could tour the site. It is an excellently done documentary that doesn't pull any punches. I watched the series a second time with my Russian gf and she was amazed by it and everything that had transpired. I high recommend it even if you weren't an Oregon resident at the time!

 

[gearhead]

Here's one I watched on VHS many years ago when I had a different outlook on life. Covers the riots in Seattle in '99, from a very biased perspective. I still get a chuckle from the hippies crying about getting OC'd after being warned to disperse several times. Regardless of political affiliation or world view, I get to laugh about it because I've been pepper sprayed and I know how much it sucks. Gas masks don't do anything for you if you're just going to sit there and let them get pulled from your faces.

Breaking the Spell

An hour-long look at the 1999 Seattle WTO protests and the anarchists who traveled there to set a new precedent for militant confrontation, this documentary picks up where Pickaxe left off. Filmed ...

crimethinc.com

 

[CountryGent]

If you have Netflix I HIGHLY recommend "Wild Wild Country."

Watch Wild Wild Country | Netflix Official Site

When a controversial cult leader builds a utopian city in the Oregon desert, conflict with the locals escalates into a national scandal.

www.netflix.com

It is a multi episode mini series about the Rajneeshees. I watched it with my daughter and we both loved it. It starts by presenting the utopian vision that formed the cult in a pretty favorable light. They even interview Shelia who is now living in Norway or Denmark or somewhere. Then they slowly start moving into the darker side of Rajneeshees until it gets to the point in time that things are so messed up that if it were a work of fiction everyone would think it was too preposterous of a script.

I remember living through that time period as a youth in the Portland suburbs and all the stories on the news but learned a whole lot from the mini series that I had no idea about. They really did an excellent job.

After watching the serries my daughter wanted to pretend to be interested in the Christian summer camp that bought the Rajneeshpuram campus so we could tour the site. It is an excellently done documentary that doesn't pull any punches. I watched the series a second time with my Russian gf and she was amazed by it and everything that had transpired. I high recommend it even if you weren't an Oregon resident at the time!

Indeed, I've seen Wild Wild Country a few times. Really well done all around. (I was a young child during that time, so only have faint memories, though there are a few. In early adulthood, I used to live north of there and would travel through Antelope on the way to Madras. It was interesting driving around the country out there.)

At this risk of going further off-topic, I've read a few books on the topic that I can pass along. (Comparative religion has alway held an interest, so a very odd one intersecting with Oregon history fit the bill for study.)

• Webber, Bert (1989). Rajneeshpuram: Who Were its People?
• Waight, Subhuti Anand (2021). Wild Wild Guru: An Insider's Account of His Life With Bhagwan, The World's Most Controversial Guru
• McCormack, Win (2012). The Rajneesh Chronicles: The True Story of the Cult That Unleashed the First Act of Bioterrorism on U.S. Soil
• King, Russell (2023). Rajneeshpuram: Inside the Cult of Bhagwan and Its Failed American Utopia

Cheers.

P.S. I also picked up a copy of the book the lawyer (Philip Toelkes) referenced working on in the documentary. I haven't had a chance to read it and the little I have was pretty dry.

 

[Provincial]

Incredibly, the Rajneeshees were cheapskates. They approached me to do a buyer's inspection on a DC-3, flying back to Tennessee in their MU-2 turboprop. When I quoted a daily fee, plus food and lodging, they asked "isn't a ride in a MU-2 enough?" I told them that airplane rides don't pay my rent, and that was the end of the conversation.

 

[Stomper]

Incredibly, the Rajneeshees were cheapskates. They approached me to do a buyer's inspection on a DC-3, flying back to Tennessee in their MU-2 turboprop. When I quoted a daily fee, plus food and lodging, they asked "isn't a ride in a MU-2 enough?" I told them that airplane rides don't pay my rent, and that was the end of the conversation.

I was in high-school during all of that... I'm surprised they didn't ask you to pay them and perform oral favors on the Bagman... er I mean Bhagwan for the "privilege" of working for them...

 

[Ura-Ki]

Incredibly, the Rajneeshees were cheapskates. They approached me to do a buyer's inspection on a DC-3, flying back to Tennessee in their MU-2 turboprop. When I quoted a daily fee, plus food and lodging, they asked "isn't a ride in a MU-2 enough?" I told them that airplane rides don't pay my rent, and that was the end of the conversation.

What, a ride in an MU-2 wasn't enough for ya, those were known as a real hot ship, one doesn't simply turn down such opportunities lightly!

Just kidding, the MU-2 is about worthless in my field, and they are old enough now that I can comfortably turn them down and poo poo then all day long, sheesh! But back in the day, wowsers, what a rocket!

 

[Provincial]

What, a ride in an MU-2 wasn't enough for ya, those were known as a real hot ship, one doesn't simply turn down such opportunities lightly!

Just kidding, the MU-2 is about worthless in my field, and they are old enough now that I can comfortably turn them down and poo poo then all day long, sheesh! But back in the day, wowsers, what a rocket!

You can't eat airplane rides, even if they are great fun. At that point in my life, I had outgrown the going hungry for fun tradeoff.

 

[Ura-Ki]

You can't eat airplane rides, even if they are great fun. At that point in my life, I had outgrown the going hungry for fun tradeoff.

Totally understandable, was just ribbing ya a little is all! If I could some how make an MU-2 work for my needs, I would have one in a heartbeat! I'm getting too old for that nonsense now anyways, so, ........
But a Feller can dream can't he?

 

[Provincial]

Totally understandable, was just ribbing ya a little is all! If I could some how make an MU-2 work for my needs, I would have one in a heartbeat! I'm getting too old for that nonsense now anyways, so, ........
But a Feller can dream can't he?

Maybe you can find one for cheap in one of the many smoking holes they have left. Hot airplane, and it can get away from the pilot quite quickly!

 

[MikeInOr]

Indeed, I've seen Wild Wild Country a few times. Really well done all around. (I was a young child during that time, so only have faint memories, though there are a few. In early adulthood, I used to live north of there and would travel through Antelope on the way to Madras. It was interesting driving around the country out there.)

At this risk of going further off-topic, I've read a few books on the topic that I can pass along. (Comparative religion has alway held an interest, so a very odd one intersecting with Oregon history fit the bill for study.)

• Webber, Bert (1989). Rajneeshpuram: Who Were its People?
• Waight, Subhuti Anand (2021). Wild Wild Guru: An Insider's Account of His Life With Bhagwan, The World's Most Controversial Guru
• McCormack, Win (2012). The Rajneesh Chronicles: The True Story of the Cult That Unleashed the First Act of Bioterrorism on U.S. Soil
• King, Russell (2023). Rajneeshpuram: Inside the Cult of Bhagwan and Its Failed American Utopia

Cheers.

P.S. I also picked up a copy of the book the lawyer (Philip Toelkes) referenced working on in the documentary. I haven't had a chance to read it and the little I have was pretty dry.

We also enjoy driving around here on this side of the mountains just to check out the scenery and do some short hikes if we find something interesting. It lacks the flora that I grew up with and love about the valley, but it has a lot of its own unique beauty. The painted hills is one of our favorite spots.

By far my strongest memory of the Rajneeshees is this song playing on the radio about 10 times a day when all the stuff was going down. I was in middle school and high school at the time.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbc7nzF8pio


I have watched the Wild Wild West a few times too. By myself the first time then with others (including my 14 yo at the time daughter) and enjoyed watching their reactions as much as watching the series. My Russian gf couldn't imagine something so messed up happening in the USA. It is not something that would have been allowed to stretch on so long where she grew up.


Again, I recommend the Wild Wild West to anyone that can appreciate a very well done documentary.

Cheers!

Incredibly, the Rajneeshees were cheapskates. They approached me to do a buyer's inspection on a DC-3, flying back to Tennessee in their MU-2 turboprop. When I quoted a daily fee, plus food and lodging, they asked "isn't a ride in a MU-2 enough?" I told them that airplane rides don't pay my rent, and that was the end of the conversation.

They were a weird bunch, weren't they. They were convinced they were so much smarter than the rest of the world and should be put on a pedestal for all to admire. No telling what kind of garbage they would have tried to pull on you if you went with them. I am actually pretty surprised that they were so forth coming about there being no chance that you would ever be paid!

 

[2nd Amendment]

3.5 minutes, so not a documentary, but it might make you think:

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/118/595/740/playable/6112450a238467a1.mp4

 

[wired]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4-jqkEAqeQ


the big rattle in Seattle

Yeah, I was working down the street from that and we had to evacuate the building because of the tear gas. I remember they were interviewing one of the rioters after he had been released from jail and he was complaining about how he had been "tortured" in lockup by being "forced" to eat a bologna sandwich and he was a vegetarian.

 

[echo1]

Incredibly, the Rajneeshees were cheapskates. They approached me to do a buyer's inspection on a DC-3, flying back to Tennessee in their MU-2 turboprop. When I quoted a daily fee, plus food and lodging, they asked "isn't a ride in a MU-2 enough?" I told them that airplane rides don't pay my rent, and that was the end of the conversation.

In '85 me and my 2 nephews flew, my 182 from Tracy CA to Coeur d'Alene ID for a 4 day Labor Day weekend of fishing and festivities. Our true course heading was 0*, due north. I stopped at Sunriver OR to top off, the line boy asked where we were headed. I told him and he said that's gonna take you right over the Rahageeet's compound. Don't land there for any reason, they'll impound your plane a keep it tied up in court for ransom.

Back to the riot docs. In the '60s I was a long haired radical, militant dissident, often mistaken for a hippie. One of my older buds was a founder for the Berserkly chapter of the SDS and recruited me and 2 other kids as part of a "disrupter" team. When there was going to be a rally or protest event, we went around the fringe area and lit garbage cans on fire. You ever see the footage of guys in football helmets picking up tear gas canisters and pitching them back? That be me.
Then one day in '72 (?) my mom and dad's house (I still lived with them) got raided by a 30-man combined task force, Freekmont PD, Oakland PD and Alameda County Sherriff. It was pre SWAT days. They had a warrant for my older brother. He sold an M2 carbine to some black dude that got busted and gave up my bro. I think the SLA had a shootout with the man the previous week My brother had history with Oakland and Richmond cops. In '61 he got in a running gun fight and shot a bull detective and his rookie partner off the stoop at his Richmond digs, He ended up gettin shot 5 times, 3 head shots that left him paralyzed. Anyway, fast forward 12 years to the raid, the task force commander was the rookie he shot in '61, so automatic weapons and my brother, they anticipated the worst. That morning it dawned on me that someone might get killed in the revolution and I went underground. PAX

 

[echo1]

On July 4th 1970 I was in a riot in Yosemite Valley's Stoneman Meadow (google it). Me and 2 buds had graduated HS. It was the first year of the draft lottery and we decided to go on a road trip in case we got drafted. We were on the road for a month, checking out Joshua Trees, Yuma, Tombstone, El Paso, Carlsbad, Painted Desert, The Petrified Forest, South and North Rims of the Grand Cayon, then Zion. We decided to head to Vegas and check out a whore house, never having been and maybe gettin killed in Nam, we thought we owed to ourselves. We were on our way when we stopped in Pahrump NV for fuel. When talking to the attendant about our plans, he said they're having race riots in Vagas and it was dangerous. So we aborted and decide to head for Yos, our back yard. We come in from the eastern approach and figure we'll drop in the valley an pickup some hippie chicks instead. Anyway, near dusk a line of mounted US police (8), couple of different county's sheriff units and a bunch of deputized goat ropers come out of the forest across from Curry Village. The General or Commandante, stands up in his stirrups and with a bull horn says that this was an illegal gathering and that we had 5 minutes to disperse or be arrested. Over 3 hunnerd kids in the meadow, music, Frisbees, hoochie choochie, the usual. The General stands up, whips out a 4-foot orange baton, and yells "CHARGE". The horsemen gallop in with batons, lariats and whips, lassoing people draggin them off, the horses pushing people down, whipping folks. A Nam vet fresh from Travis, 1 day from in country with a cracked skull, holds up a Spinada jug and shouts, "Everybody...to the river". We regroup gathering stick for clubs, the rangers regroup, charge a second time. 10 to one attack the horsemen, dismounting most. They scurry off. About then a hunnerd bikers fire off their machines and start chasing the horses on the equestrian trail. It was totally nuts. Me, my bud and 3 dudes from LA decide we're going to hold the road, we had 2 suitcases full of fireworks from our travels we were saving for the 4th. So a '60ish main battle cruiser Polara followed by a '65 quad cab long bed Power Wagon, all full of rangers and sheriff, start creeping up the road with their lights off. We launch off a battalion of bottle rockets and Roman candle s of various sizes, bunch of stuff. Several bottle rockets get inside the Polara, the rangers bail, catches the interior on fire, the Power Wagon does a slow impact and pushes it in a ditch. We disappear. Camp 4 goes all primal savage that night. 5 o'clock in the morning, all the parks garbage trucks gather everyone up (not us renegades) and dumps them out at the park's entrance. The General and chief magistrate both got fired that Monday for the way they handled the situation. Decades later, the Nam vet, whom I never net, was my next-door neighbor. Viva La Raza, PAX

 

[saxon]

Yeah, I was working down the street from that and we had to evacuate the building because of the tear gas. I remember they were interviewing one of the rioters after he had been released from jail and he was complaining about how he had been "tortured" in lockup by being "forced" to eat a bologna sandwich and he was a vegetarian.

remember when they took over a building and were paid to leave .... yea way to go

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Shirt video of the guy shown in rooftops Koreans videos telling what happened.

View: https://youtu.be/c6FcyJORlGg?si=Y5_Xf8GocARF0VBi


Rooftop koreans. Skip to 5:00 mark

View: https://youtu.be/xWMj-mFUDGA?si=khoJbrUhSV22LKwC

 

[ilikegunspdx]

I was able to watch most of it last night. Finished it today whilst handling grunt work. It was a pretty good documentary and somewhat better than the one posted earlier. For those interested in the Korean—American folks who defended themselves and their places of business, there is a short segment around the one hour, twenty minute mark.

Parenthetically, can anyone identify this long gun? It is a fellow from the aforementioned community. The arm would have had to existed and available in SoCal circa 1992. (Keep in mind, most of the unmitigated horse-hockey gun laws down there came about after the riots.)

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Re red hat guy this video seems to show same guy with an Uzi at 2:00 mark.

View: https://youtu.be/nEv8CNS-55M?si=Ol7GOzNYFWcv_DmQ

 

[ilikegunspdx]

It seems to me that there is an intimidation benefit of either full auto guns, shotguns, or large caliber (loud and flash) guns in riot situation like this that pistols do not have.

While a big flash and big noise may be a detriment in a real war situation by giving away your position, it may be a benefit in a riot situation. Ideally you would have both a weapon with low or no noise/flash signature and a more bombastic intimidating weapon. Just thinking out loud.

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View: https://youtu.be/CANy4LDa0mE?si=go5JsOan5Ezhyh-P

 

[64MercurysRule]

Thanks for the Sheela song memories ...... she was one evil witch ...yeow .