do you profile the person before you teach them to shoot?

[Boboclown]

Oh, having been a range safety officer I should caution all to be cautious about inviting Japanese tourists or East Europeans. They were my nightmares.

What did/do they do?

 

[GuyBMeredith]

What did/do they do?

The East Europeans seemed to have little ability to remember firearms safety. Maybe because they came from a war zone. My worst experience was a group of about 5 or 6 which had only one member that spoke English. They put a pile of EBRs on a table and began uncasing 10 feet behind the shooting line, swept everyone on the range (75 lanes), fingers on triggers, unknown whether the magazines were loaded. I just got them muzzle up and to the bench.

We had a couple of groups of Japanese tourists. Thank goodness one group had a local as a guide and I pitied him the whole time. Even the the men seemed pretty giddy and silly. Too much interaction to get them to pay attention to what they were doing. In one group a young man grabbed a pistol in each hand, stood way behind the firing line, shook the pistols in the air yelling "Rambo!!". Dunno whether they were loaded as someone else handled them while I crapped my britches.

I also had a nerve wracking experience with a Chinese family, none of whom seemed to speak English. I think two of the family had paid to shoot, but the family didn't seem to be able to stand not being within each other's personal space so grandma, aunts, uncles and everyone else swarmed to the firing line with the shooters. I got them behind the safety line, but they didn't seem to be able to handle that for more than about 5 minutes and swarmed all over again. And again. And again.

 

[bigblue]

Oh, having been a range safety officer I should caution all to be cautious about inviting Japanese tourists or East Europeans. They were my nightmares.

I am a CRSO at Tri-County. Some of my scariest experiences have been with Japanese "enthusiasts" that should never be allowed near a firearm. And I mean "bubblegum in my pants" scary.

 

[Boboclown]

The East Europeans seemed to have little ability to remember firearms safety. Maybe because they came from a war zone. My worst experience was a group of about 5 or 6 which had only one member that spoke English. They put a pile of EBRs on a table and began uncasing 10 feet behind the shooting line, swept everyone on the range (75 lanes), fingers on triggers, unknown whether the magazines were loaded. I just got them muzzle up and to the bench.

We had a couple of groups of Japanese tourists. Thank goodness one group had a local as a guide and I pitied him the whole time. Even the the men seemed pretty giddy and silly. Too much interaction to get them to pay attention to what they were doing. In one group a young man grabbed a pistol in each hand, stood way behind the firing line, shook the pistols in the air yelling "Rambo!!". Dunno whether they were loaded as someone else handled them while I crapped my britches.

I also had a nerve wracking experience with a Chinese family, none of whom seemed to speak English. I think two of the family had paid to shoot, but the family didn't seem to be able to stand not being within each other's personal space so grandma, aunts, uncles and everyone else swarmed to the firing line with the shooters. I got them behind the safety line, but they didn't seem to be able to handle that for more than about 5 minutes and swarmed all over again. And again. And again.

Wow, that never happens here. Only thing I consider a nightmare at the range I go to is some idiot shooting steel too close to the firing line and having the bullets fly past your head due to ricochet...

 

[erudne]

I know this is an old thread but my search did not come-up with the newer ones I have seen in the past month. My philosophy is to never train a Liberal to shoot, it's plain suicide!

Ohio Professor Calls For Shooting Up NRA Headquarters, Ensuring "No Survivors"…




How delightful.

Via Campus Reform:

An adjunct professor at Southern State Community College (SSCC) in Ohio is under investigation for threatening to shoot up the NRA.

"Look, there's only one solution. A bunch of us anti-gun types are going to have to arm ourselves, storm the NRA headquarters in Fairfax, VA, and make sure there are no survivors," James Pearce wrote in a Facebook post on June 13. "This action might also require coordinated hits at remote sites, like Washington lobbyists. Then and only then will we see some legislative action on assault weapons. Have a nice day."

He's not joking; this is the mind of a dedicated "liberal" which is to say Marxist Revolutionary

 

[Doc In UPlace]

He's not joking; this is the mind of a dedicated "liberal" which is to say Marxist Revolutionary lunatic jerk.

There you go. FIFY.

 

[bmtm09]

To be fair, I was a bigoted racist homophobe with bad grammar lonnng before I was a gun enthusiast

LMAO !!!!!

 

[PaulB47]

My philosophy is to never train a Liberal to shoot, it's plain suicide!

That's all right. I'll train them.

I'm not a collectivist. I don't assume all members of some loosely-defined group like "liberals" (or conservatives for that matter) would act exactly the same. I think everybody should be able to defend their families, and that that helps them to understand how valuable liberty is. I understand actual crimes should be punished, not membership in some group. And I don't care what groups people belong to, as long as they don't personally trample me.

This might help:
How To Not Be a Collectivist, by Paul Bonneau (http://ncc-1776.org/tle2013/tle725-20130616-03.html)

 

[mjbskwim]

D thread and I may have already posted this....
You profile everyone you come into contact with rather you know it or not.

 

[CarlMc]

Way better. I teach a lot of kids and the girls are more attentive, more focused and better shots. Same way with adults really.

Men make assumptions about what other men SHOULD know and never think there might be a problem with that. Women don't make the same kind of assumptions. As an instructor, formal or not, you would be wise to ask yourself what sort of assumptions are limiting the learning.

 

[erudne]

the male and female of the species are quite different, females mature faster, their minds are detail oriented as well as socially targeted to form bonds of empathy to ensure mutual support in a small tribe. Men do not mature mentally as fast because their physical strength is more important to individual and family/ group survival. Performance in the physical world out strips the need for Feels. While girl's hormones make them more malleable boys hormones keep them in a permanent state hyper activity and sexual arousal for a decade, or more.

 

[bmtm09]

boys hormones keep them in a permanent state hyper activity and sexual arousal for a decade, or more.

45 years and still going,,,geesh when does it end???

 

[bmtm09]

sorry couldnt resist

 

[erudne]

That's all right. I'll train them.

I'm not a collectivist. I don't assume all members of some loosely-defined group like "liberals" (or conservatives for that matter) would act exactly the same. I think everybody should be able to defend their families, and that that helps them to understand how valuable liberty is. I understand actual crimes should be punished, not membership in some group. And I don't care what groups people belong to, as long as they don't personally trample me.

This might help:
How To Not Be a Collectivist, by Paul Bonneau (http://ncc-1776.org/tle2013/tle725-20130616-03.html)

I just read the author's intro; he is a Universalist who is advocating against the individual's In Group in favor of allowing an Out Group to dominate a society; after all people are just interchangeable cogs and it has been proven that dark skinned cogs always vote Socialist so why not bring in a few million? For a real life example of this just look to Sweden and their Feminist Government. Germany's Merkel is also a spectacular perpetrator of this genocidal belief system

 

[PaulB47]

Uh, are you talking about me? That is funny. What is a universalist anyway? I looked it up and I don't see how it applies since I am not religious at all. But maybe I need to polish my writing skills since you obviously did not get the point of my piece, which is to try to get people not to be collectivists.

 

[Diamondback]

Bet your arse I profile... I generally won't even consider it unless I know you personally or someone who I do vouches for you. To date all of the exceptions have had double X chromosomes in common...

And I don't CARE about melanin content, epicanthic folds, any of it. It's "Do I Know And Trust You? Y/N, if N don't bother wasting your time or mine."

 

[Flopsweat]

45 years and still going,,,geesh when does it end???

The answer lies well beyond 55, my friend.

 

[Quartermaster]

I go to PSU, and have invited dozens of people to go shooting. They all came from different backgrounds: politically, ethnically, religiously. Every single one of them enjoyed the experience, respects firearms now instead of blindly fearing them, and a few have since gotten their first guns, and CHL. The more people who love, and respect, the sport of shooting, the safer we will be.

 

[erudne]

I go to PSU, and have invited dozens of people to go shooting. They all came from different backgrounds: politically, ethnically, religiously. Every single one of them enjoyed the experience, respects firearms now instead of blindly fearing them, and a few have since gotten their first guns, and CHL. The more people who love, and respect, the sport of shooting, the safer we will be.

 

[eliduc]

I have been quietly introducing new people to shooting for the past couple of years. Some of them were openly opposed to the very existence of guns, after taking them target shooting, and introducing them to the stewardship of shooting areas that me and my friends shoot at they not only enjoy shooting, but now own guns too.

For shooting to survive we really need to make it accessible to everyone, and keep keep politics, race, and religion out of it. Otherwise we're bubblegumed, and we'll only have ourselves to blame.

I did. I profiled my wife and concluded that she is not competent to hold a gun....especially one of mine.