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Do You Know the Difference In the Law of a AR Pistol, Rifle OR SBR

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by MinnesotaORnewbie, Oct 24, 2011.

  1. MinnesotaORnewbie

    MinnesotaORnewbie Oregon Active Member

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    There was another thread in the General Guns questions and I asked a question on there and am more confused then before.
    So do you feel you know the Law?
    1) Over and Under OAL 26 inches....
    2) Barrel shorter than 16 inches - end of threads to front of upper receiver....
    3) OAL > 26 inches and Barrel under 16 inches - With pistol buffer tube
    4) OAL < 26 inches and Barrel under 16 inches - With pistol buffer tube
    5) Butt Stock or Pistol Buffer Tube Only....
    6) Vertical forward Grip - Mag Pull AFG2 is legal on Pistol package

    I know some of the responses will be the known obvious that seem to be commonly known to members on this forum, but if you start to look at specifics, Im confused now, especially after reading through the other Thread where others tried to understand and reason the legality of certain guns.

    Specifically, Im wondering about AR pistol setup compared to a SBR. Here are a few key issues. What Are They? Pistol, Rifle, Or SBR?

    1) Building a AR that has a OAL over 26 inches and has a Barrel less than 16 inches with a pistol buffer tube. Example - OAL is over 26 inches and has a 10.5 inch barrel.

    2) Building a AR that has a OAL under 26 inches and has a Barrel less than 16 inches with a pistol buffer tube. Example - OAL is under 26 inches and has a 7 inch barrel.

    It doesn't seem so clear when you look at the two options does it?
     
  2. mjbskwim

    mjbskwim Salmon,Idaho Well-Known Member

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    From what I've read on here,the barrel length has to do with the rifle and sbr.
    Pistol barrel length doesn't matter.
    The pistol can only have the buffer and a pad (one of those wrap around kind) and no vertical hand grip.No butt stock
    Can't have a stock,just the tube.Supposed to handle it with one hand? Which is silly cause most shoot a pistol with two anyway right?

    But we'll have the experts on here soon.
     
  3. MinnesotaORnewbie

    MinnesotaORnewbie Oregon Active Member

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    those are the general understandings that I have believed also, but the specifics are much more complicated then that, and In the two examples I listed, I hope a few members that know the laws will comment on here. Looking forward to some more info.
     
  4. mjbskwim

    mjbskwim Salmon,Idaho Well-Known Member

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    Those are both pistols

    What do I win?
     
  5. SheepDog223

    SheepDog223 Salem Well-Known Member

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    Barrel length is measures from the tip of the barrel or pinned or welded flash hider to the bolt face. Therefore barrel length must be measured on the inside of the barrel with a rod. Not from end of barrel to the top receiver as mentioned on the OP.
     
  6. MinnesotaORnewbie

    MinnesotaORnewbie Oregon Active Member

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    ok, I do agree with the technical term in measuring barrel length, but mjb...., what is your proof of your answer, hours and years on this site, hear say, or technical actual proof from written law. I would love to see, in text that explanation of the two examples in which you looked at and answered too.
     
  7. mjbskwim

    mjbskwim Salmon,Idaho Well-Known Member

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    If I were you,I would check M4 and AR 15 forums for some real straight info on this.
    Which is where I have gotten most of my info.
    It's been a while since I looked it up and would take some time for links

    But most is from others that have built pistols and explained the differences.

    Difference between AR pistol and AR SBR? - AR15.Com Archive

    ATF Online - Laws, Regulations & Rulings - Rulings

    And I forgot,someone had posted this a while back

    http://atf.gov/regulations-rulings/rulings/atf-rulings/atf-ruling-2011-4.pdf