DNC pushing more anti-gun laws.

[Gator Monroe]

They left the party and became republicans during the Johnson administration because of his "Great Society" ideology, if'n I disremember correctly.

Sorry but no, they became Blue Dogs & what were known as Gray Hair Democrats (Byrd and many may others who Died Democrats rather than switch partys ) The ones who Switched Parties like Ronald Reagan & Strom Thurmond & others Switched in the late 1940s & early 50's

 

[twa2471]

PHEWWWW! bugeye scared me for a bit , I alsmost thought he was one of, them there back door libs. It just scares me the the libs are so willing to try to take away peoples rights. But I can't agree that the constituion is an antiquated document that needs changing to suit some libs agenda. I just think that any errosion of these rights is just the start of the downhill slide of this countrys principals. I think the answer is inforcement of the laws we have, put the violent gun offenders in jail and leave them there don't put them back on the streets on bail, period. And of course I'm not advocating an armed rebelion, but should it ever come to that point I'd not back down, good gorilla tactics can go a long ways, look at the Russians in Afganistan, and us in Nam for that matter, superrior firepower dosn't always = victory.

 

[Trlsmn]

I asked you a specific question and all I received was deflection, OK I'll be specific, do you, Bugeye, support or object to the proposals in the original post as proposed by the Democrats proposing these laws?




Here are the points from the first post:

The incoming head of the Democratic National Committee says she supports background checks for all gun purchases, and Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, D-Fla., says she'll co-sponsor a bill in Congress to enact a new law requiring them.

So she plans to support the Fix Gun Checks Act Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, D-N.Y., plans to introduce later this year. That legislation would require unlicensed gun dealers to perform background checks whenever someone buys a gun, even at gun shows. Previously, only licensed gun sellers have had to perform the checks.

Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., has introduced a companion bill in the Senate that the National Rifle Association panned as a government overreach that ignores due process."... although Sen. Schumer touts his bill primarily as one to change the background check process, it would also greatly increase the number of people who are prohibited from possessing any firearm, with little regard for every American's right to due process before being stripped of a fundamental civil right," the NRA said in a statement on its website.

A simple question Bugeye but let me repeat it in case you have forgotten it already:

Bugeye, (do you) support or object to the proposals in the original post as proposed by the Democrats proposing these laws?

Here let me summarize your answer to a simple direct question, everything after the bold highlighted was just more deflection and non answer.

Can't answer, because you added the Schumer stuff, and I only discussed the "fix gun check group", I stated that as the subject of my comments, and I got all specific information about them from their own web site, not the original post. As original cites given here are nearly always biased bs one would be a dope to take them at face value.

I can answer this :

As to doing background checks for all sales, if the checking was as slow, expensive and hard as the current system I am not in favor of it.

That systen would invite abuse and make criminals of honest sellers. Only compromise on this issue, by both sides, could create fast, easy and free, and I came up with it as a sort of win win. As far as I know that is an orginal idea, though it seems pretty obvious. If that system did exist, and since I don't want to sell a weapon to anyone not legally allowed to have it, I would use that system even it was not legally required, so that making this manditory would have no effect on my actions at all, or the actions of any responsible seller.

We can dance on the 2nd as long as the SC does not yank the trap door, or we can accept that we live in a world of mad mothers, innocent children that have been shot, knee jerk public opinon, and politicans, on all sides, that would gleefully sell their own mother for a nickle.

"For he (Cato) gives his opinion as if he were in Plato's Republic, not in Romulus' cesspool." Cicero

We ought to be willing to see that are not living in a single line in an ancient 12 page document.

You fail!

 

[MikeE]

Why yes ,is there part of it you disagree with , or are you just a spelling & grammar Nazi ?

My dig was uncalled-for. You have my apology.

 

[twa2471]

Well folks I guess we've just about just about beat this dead horse as much as we can,dosen't look like we are going to get stright answers from some, some just abuse and others just rants and a certian amount of rudeness, but many good points were brought up and dissuced. That's the point of these political discussions anyway right. I may have to consider myself under the rant catigory, and sorry but perhaps a bit of rudeness too. But at least there is Very little doubt where I stand on this issue. I believe I may have opened up a can of worms when I made a refrence to the hitler quote, weather or not it is accurate, I don't know nor do I really care enough to reserch it. But I think it made my piont about the course I feel this country is taking. And I did get people to stand up and speek there mind, for the biggeset part. I've not missed my watch as long as I continue to speek out aginst the errosion of our rights. And we all have to continue to stand up and speak our minds or we will end up with a socialist form of government. Like I said before not on my watch.

 

[iomatic]

Except most stereotypes have their basis in reality. In this case, you could argue that many gun rights infringements have come from so call progressives or liberals. Generalizations do suck, but you must admit that frustration is often warranted...

So.... you're saying if we dwell on continuing whining about how Lefties take our rights away we'll somehow gain traction?

Or, would you like to put that aside and come up with...

wait for it...



a SOLUTION



Whoa, I know. Crazy idea.

 

[Gator Monroe]

So.... you're saying if we dwell on continuing whining about how Lefties take our rights away we'll somehow gain traction?

Or, would you like to put that aside and come up with...

wait for it...

SOLUTION

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Whoa, I know. Crazy idea.

The best solution would be if middle left & Independant Folks held their nose & voted Conservative GOP just one time in their lives (The 12 Elections)

 

[billdeserthills]

The best solution would be if middle left & Independant Folks held their nose & voted Conservative GOP just one time in their lives (The 12 Elections)

My solution calls for us to learn from them & get our own puppet, then we pour on the lies & out lie the competition!!

 

[bugeye]

.....
You fail!

Why am I not surprised, you seem to only know one tactic.
I said lots in my response, if you are incapable of hearing it, the fault lies in you.

Let me ask you a question, and I will make it specific enough and limited enough, do you have any problems selling firearms to people you don't know based only an seeing some ID?

 

[bugeye]

The best solution would be if middle left & Independant Folks held their nose & voted Conservative GOP just one time in their lives (The 12 Elections)

The best solution for what? The GOP is insane, don't believe me, go check out the budget proposal the house just passed. This boils down to a very clean death panel for most of our elderly while giving the ubers an additional 10% tax cut, while pushing employment estimates furnished by a free market think tank based on the proven failed myth of trickle down. With this budget proposal the GOP has offically become a party of loons.

 

[Trlsmn]

Why am I not surprised, you seem to only know one tactic.
I said lots in my response, if you are incapable of hearing it, the fault lies in you.

Let me ask you a question, and I will make it specific enough and limited enough, do you have any problems selling firearms to people you don't know based only an seeing some ID?

No I don't have any problems upon seeing qualifying ID... and their answers to a few pertinent and specific questions.

Oh looky looky, I did what you are not capable of, answering a question.

 

[WhyteCheddar]

The best solution for what? The GOP is insane, don't believe me, go check out the budget proposal the house just passed. This boils down to a very clean death panel for most of our elderly while giving the ubers an additional 10% tax cut, while pushing employment estimates furnished by a free market think tank based on the proven failed myth of trickle down. With this budget proposal the GOP has offically become a party of loons.

Both parties have loons. Those loons are also known as 'progressives.
Guess defecit spending is a 'sane' recourse then.
And keep this in mind, without the GOP budget proposal the dems would have cut zilch with their bag of tricks.

You guys are so easy.

 

[twa2471]

OMG the dead horse back amoung the living!!!

 

[Gator Monroe]

Both parties have loons. Those loons are also known as 'progressives.
Guess defecit spending is a 'sane' recourse then.
And keep this in mind, without the GOP budget proposal the dems would have cut zilch with their bag of tricks.

You guys are so easy.

What is not easy is gettin Middle Left Libertarians to realize there are only 2 viable parties for the foreseeable future .(Pick a side ,there are only 2)

 

[bugeye]

No I don't have any problems upon seeing qualifying ID... and their answers to a few pertinent and specific questions.

Oh looky looky, I did what you are not capable of, answering a question.

No, I did what you can't do, and that is to ask a question, clear enough and of limited range, so that can be answered.

So, one can only wonder what sort of 'pertinent and specific' questions you might be capable of asking a potential buyer?
I suspect, false ID and capable of emitting a "yar", stands a good chance!

But I found out what I wanted to find out, no compromise is possible, so many Cato's so few Cicero's.
Maybe it matters not, after all they both lived to see the end of their republic.

 

[Jamie6.5]

What compromise? What restriction are you, and the rest of the left leaning gun banners willing to give up to get all transfers cleared/registered by the ATF.
Full autos?
Sound suppressors without a stamp?
NFA items without a stamp?

Compromise implies a benefit or loss to BOTH parties buggy.
You don't REALLY want a compromise. You and the rest of the gun banners want gun owners to give up yet more rights. No part of that involves compromise.
The left uses "compromise" as a euphemism for loss/take/sacrifice etc. It isn't.
Call it what it is,... The loss of another constitutionally supported RIGHT, inspired by the LEFT.

 

[bugeye]

Both parties have loons. Those loons are also known as 'progressives.
Guess defecit spending is a 'sane' recourse then.
And keep this in mind, without the GOP budget proposal the dems would have cut zilch with their bag of tricks.

You guys are so easy.

Of course both parties have loons, but the lockstep loons on the GOP are far more dangerous.
When a group like the GOP gets so blatent, that they use information from the herritage foundation as the statistical basis for a budget, they are counting on the stupidity of their supporters.
Really, this is whole new level of bootlicking toward the American Aristocrisy.

"No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public." H L Menken

 

[Jamie6.5]

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The above is the part of your last post that is germane to the conversation buggy.

 

[elsullo]

So, back to the original post, has anyone read of any evidence that anybody ELSE on the Democratic National Committee besides Wasserman-Schultz is "pushing" more gun control? Perhaps the thread should be re-titled, "ONE member of the DNC is pushing more anti-gun laws!"............................elsullo

 

[bugeye]

What compromise? What restriction are you, and the rest of the left leaning gun banners willing to give up to get all transfers cleared/registered by the ATF.
Full autos?
Sound suppressors without a stamp?
NFA items without a stamp?

Compromise implies a benefit or loss to BOTH parties buggy.
You don't REALLY want a compromise. You and the rest of the gun banners want gun owners to give up yet more rights. No part of that involves compromise.
The left uses "compromise" as a euphemism for loss/take/sacrifice etc. It isn't.
Call it what it is,... The loss of another constitutionally supported RIGHT.

What I posted about, the possibilty of a free, fast, easy online gun check in exchange for private sellers having to use it.
The other side is opposed to compromise too, and they have pretty good props like crying mothers and blood stained dead children.
You really think that one line in a 12 page document from 1786 is going to stand forever without compromise?
Nothing stands for long without compromise, that is a universal truth.