DNC pushing more anti-gun laws.

[Blitzkrieg]

Here's an old quote that might explain it ; "This year will go down in history, for the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficent,and the wourld will follow our lead into the future." Adolph Hitler 1935 !!!!!! I think that just about say's it all.

Nazi Germany had better gun laws than New York City does, today.. and more lenient CCW permits than many US locales. We have some real work to do if we truly want the 2nd amendment back

 

[billdeserthills]

I know one thing, these so-called Representatives of our gov't have Sworn an Oath to Uphold the Constitution & they are not doing so, I feel that is Treason. Now where is a Federal Prosecuter with some balls...

 

[twa2471]

Ya blitzkrige now that I think of it you maybe right and 10-4 on the work part. billdeserthills not likly to find a prosicuter with a pair big enough to take that on, they may try to start, but I'm sure they would get far for very long.

 

[bugeye]

Here's an old quote that might explain it ; "This year will go down in history, for the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficent,and the wourld will follow our lead into the future." Adolph Hitler 1935 !!!!!! I think that just about say's it all.

GunCite - Gun Control: Bogus gun control quotes

"
The "Hitler" Quote That Wouldn't Die: "1935 Will Go Down In History!"

"This year* will go down in history! For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!"
---Falsely attributed to Adolf Hitler, "Abschied vom Hessenland!" ["Farewell to Hessia!"], ['Berlin Daily' (Loose English Translation)], April 15th, 1935, Page 3 Article 2, Einleitung Von Eberhard Beckmann [Introduction by Eberhard Beckmann].
This quotation, often seen without any date or citation at all, suffers from several credibility problems, the most significant of which is that the date given (*in alternate versions, the words "This year..." are replaced by "1935..." has no correlation with any legislative effort by the Nazis for gun registration, nor would there have been a need for the Nazis to pass such a law, since gun registration laws passed by the Weimar government were already in effect. The Nazi Weapons Law (or Waffengesetz) which further restricted the possession of militarily useful weapons and forbade trade in weapons without a government-issued license was passed on March 18, 1938.
"

I have a great quote by Goebbels too bad he never said it and the net is full of it.

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

I use this one on birthers, polls show that the birther movement is up nearly 10%, so that over half of GOP voters now believe this big lie. The great thing about the goebbles quote that isn't is that is just so darn well said.

 

[bugeye]

Sorry buggy, to do so would be in violation of the Firearm Owners Protection Act.

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So, even if one was convicted using said data, the conviction would be easily overturned.
And also due to the FOPA, overturning the conviction would entitle the aquittee to have their legal fees paid by the arresting agencies and their firearms returned.

I don't get what comment I made that this was directed too.
Must be the log on database idea?

So, when an Oregon gun dealer calls in to get my approval they aren't talking to a government facility?
Who then is doing the checking?
This is an honest question I don't know the answer and my wife is waiting for me to go, oh heck, shopping with her.
Someone has to have a database, and my only interaction has been to fill out the form and get my new toy.

 

[elsullo]

Here's an old quote that might explain it ; "This year will go down in history, for the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficent,and the wourld will follow our lead into the future." Adolph Hitler 1935 !!!!!! I think that just about say's it all.

I love that quote to use to wake people up, and have it on a bumper sticker high on the tailgate of my truck. I used to live near a high school, and working split shifts I occasionally noticed high shoolers standing there reading it over and over, with a baffled expression on their faces. NEW THOUGHTS WERE ENTERING THEIR HEADS! It made my day every time.....................elsullo

 

[Trlsmn]

If you buy a gun from a dealer or through an agent, they currently do a check, since this data is known to the gov they could be 'keeping track' right now.
Do you find that an infringement?
If not then you find that this would now apply to private party sales is the infringement?
You have no problem selling a gun to a private party you don't know, based only on having some ID?


Again, your not being specifc enough for me to respond.

I asked you a specific question and all I received was deflection, OK I'll be specific, do you, Bugeye, support or object to the proposals in the original post as proposed by the Democrats proposing these laws?




Here are the points from the first post:

The incoming head of the Democratic National Committee says she supports background checks for all gun purchases, and Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, D-Fla., says she'll co-sponsor a bill in Congress to enact a new law requiring them.

So she plans to support the Fix Gun Checks Act Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, D-N.Y., plans to introduce later this year. That legislation would require unlicensed gun dealers to perform background checks whenever someone buys a gun, even at gun shows. Previously, only licensed gun sellers have had to perform the checks.

Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., has introduced a companion bill in the Senate that the National Rifle Association panned as a government overreach that ignores due process."... although Sen. Schumer touts his bill primarily as one to change the background check process, it would also greatly increase the number of people who are prohibited from possessing any firearm, with little regard for every American's right to due process before being stripped of a fundamental civil right," the NRA said in a statement on its website.

A simple question Bugeye but let me repeat it in case you have forgotten it already:

Bugeye, (do you) support or object to the proposals in the original post as proposed by the Democrats proposing these laws?

 

[Cougfan2]

Waiting patiently buggy.

 

[twa2471]

To bugeye,I got this quote from a bumper sticker also, so perhaps the quote was mis-quoted by me? But the fact still remains the the German government(during the Weimar adimistration, if this is the case) is still an example of what the liberal politicions are trying to do in this country, by trying to restrict our 2nd amendment rights. It's there to assure that a the government will not have the power to ride roughshod over and unarmed populace, and impose there will apon us by force. A armed person is a citizen, an unarmed person is a subject, note I didn't quote this for fear I may misquote. My purpose for quoting the verse that I atributed to hitler, no matter who wrote it, or how accurate the actual quote was is to make people pause and think about the direction in which this country is headding. Your such a history buff,odviously, you must agree that one of the first things a fledgling dictatorship, or socialist government does to put the populice under there control is to restrict there fredoms and disarm them.True or not? If the second amendment goes, it will just be the first of many, no doubt about it in my mind at all. I don't want to be intered in a consintration camp, jail, or anywhere else because some politician thinks I'm a threat to a new world order of some type. I'll NOT stand by as our freedoms are taken away one at a time. I'll defend the Constituion of the United States as genarations of my family have done sense before the civil war. And by God if it comes to a war between the citizins of this country and socilist politicians, new wourld order or whatever, BRING IT ON BROTHER. I'll be on the front lines with my banned firearms in hand. I think now that should leave no question in YOUR mind where I stand, now where do you stand???, I'll go get a bag of popcorn also, while we are all waiting for your response.

 

[billdeserthills]

I'm just thinking, in the next election, why can't "our guys" just lie better than "their guys"?

 

[deen_ad]

At 17% you're doing a lot better than most if you are truly in the "top bracket" M2.

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The table, sorted by income showing percentage (requires MS spreadsheet software):
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/08in04atr.xls

Or you can read a summary here:
The Tax Foundation - Summary of Latest Federal Individual Income Tax Data

So the top 1% pay at an average of 23.27% on 20% of all Adjusted Gross Income. This amounts to 38% of all income taxes paid.
The top 10% pay at a rate of 18.7% on 45.77% of all AGI. That amounts to 69.9% of all income taxes paid.
The top 25% pay at a rate of 15.6% on 67.8% of all AGI. That amounts to 86.3% of all income taxes paid.

Of course the bottom 50% of all taxpayers pay only 2.7% of their income in taxes. That amounts to only 2.59% of all income taxes paid.

So, since buggy claims the rich are ripping off the poor, they MUST be doing it through other means, cuz it sure isn't through taxes!
Either that or buggy is full of it AGAIN.

You decide.

And GE paid $0 taxes this year according to the news reports.

 

[Gator Monroe]

There will be a big push by Democrats to fool populace into thinking they are 2A Saviours ,With Union hack Leos in add blitzes saying how a vote for democrats is a vote to save Firearm Rights (All the while they stack the SCOTUS and look for any way they can find to undermine 2A forever ...)

 

[MikeE]

There will be a big push by Democrats to fool populace into thinking they are 2A Saviours ,With Union hack Leos in add blitzes saying how a vote for democrats is a vote to save Firearm Rights (All the while they stack the SCOTUS and look for any way they can find to undermine 2A forever ...)

Is this in English?

 

[MountainBear]

You guys are all just hurling vapid analogies. *yawn*

As I tell my kids, settle down, discuss things from your point of view instead of projecting. Then, we can get some clarity.



This.

Let's honestly stop the Left/Right better-worse BS; let's discuss fixing anti-gun mentality, without resorting to name calling, and instead using factual information as a basis. But, I suggest to some of those on the Right, that not all Leftists are anti-gun, pro-dealth penalty, anti-abortion, and fiscally conservative. Crazy, right; the world isn't black and white, and neither are people. Generalizations suck.

Weird, huh?

Except most stereotypes have their basis in reality. In this case, you could argue that many gun rights infringements have come from so call progressives or liberals. Generalizations do suck, but you must admit that frustration is often warranted...

 

[bugeye]

I asked you a specific question and all I received was deflection, OK I'll be specific, do you, Bugeye, support or object to the proposals in the original post as proposed by the Democrats proposing these laws?




Here are the points from the first post:








A simple question Bugeye but let me repeat it in case you have forgotten it already:

Bugeye, (do you) support or object to the proposals in the original post as proposed by the Democrats proposing these laws?

Can't answer, because you added the Schumer stuff, and I only discussed the "fix gun check group", I stated that as the subject of my comments, and I got all specific information about them from their own web site, not the original post. As original cites given here are nearly always biased bs one would be a dope to take them at face value.

I can answer this :

As to doing background checks for all sales, if the checking was as slow, expensive and hard as the current system I am not in favor of it.

That systen would invite abuse and make criminals of honest sellers. Only compromise on this issue, by both sides, could create fast, easy and free, and I came up with it as a sort of win win. As far as I know that is an orginal idea, though it seems pretty obvious. If that system did exist, and since I don't want to sell a weapon to anyone not legally allowed to have it, I would use that system even it was not legally required, so that making this manditory would have no effect on my actions at all, or the actions of any responsible seller.

We can dance on the 2nd as long as the SC does not yank the trap door, or we can accept that we live in a world of mad mothers, innocent children that have been shot, knee jerk public opinon, and politicans, on all sides, that would gleefully sell their own mother for a nickle.

"For he (Cato) gives his opinion as if he were in Plato's Republic, not in Romulus' cesspool." Cicero

We ought to be willing to see that are not living in a single line in an ancient 12 page document.

 

[Gator Monroe]

Is this in English?

Why yes ,is there part of it you disagree with , or are you just a spelling & grammer Nazi ?

 

[Gator Monroe]

Except most stereotypes have their basis in reality. In this case, you could argue that many gun rights infringements have come from so call progressives or liberals. Generalizations do suck, but you must admit that frustration is often warranted...

What happend to the Stereotype that all Democrats (Especially Southern Dixiecrat ones) are Segregationists & Kluxer sympathizers

 

[bugeye]

To bugeye,I got this quote from a bumper sticker also, so perhaps the quote was mis-quoted by me? But the fact still remains the the German government(during the Weimar adimistration, if this is the case) is still an example of what the liberal politicions are trying to do in this country, by trying to restrict our 2nd amendment rights. It's there to assure that a the government will not have the power to ride roughshod over and unarmed populace, and impose there will apon us by force. A armed person is a citizen, an unarmed person is a subject, note I didn't quote this for fear I may misquote. My purpose for quoting the verse that I atributed to hitler, no matter who wrote it, or how accurate the actual quote was is to make people pause and think about the direction in which this country is headding. Your such a history buff,odviously, you must agree that one of the first things a fledgling dictatorship, or socialist government does to put the populice under there control is to restrict there fredoms and disarm them.True or not? If the second amendment goes, it will just be the first of many, no doubt about it in my mind at all. I don't want to be intered in a consintration camp, jail, or anywhere else because some politician thinks I'm a threat to a new world order of some type. I'll NOT stand by as our freedoms are taken away one at a time. I'll defend the Constituion of the United States as genarations of my family have done sense before the civil war. And by God if it comes to a war between the citizins of this country and socilist politicians, new wourld order or whatever, BRING IT ON BROTHER. I'll be on the front lines with my banned firearms in hand. I think now that should leave no question in YOUR mind where I stand, now where do you stand???, I'll go get a bag of popcorn also, while we are all waiting for your response.

This is turning into an inquisition, and I doubt my judges even know the area code of objectivity.

I like to check the accuaracy of common quotes, it is amazing how few are accurate.
A lot of free democratic countries have gun control laws.
For example, the UK, Australia, India, Israel, Finland, and Germany (oops should have left that last one out, lol).
It seems that we really can't infer anything about what is going to happen in a country based on gun control, finding examples of countries gone bad that have gun control like Mexico is easy, but means nothing in terms of making a valid argument.

We can all talk bravely about what we would do with our pop guns (realistic assesement of my arsenal) against a government military, but until that condition exists we can't know what we would do. In Syria right now unarmed protestors are being shot by government forces, India managed to overthrow English rule without guns, Egypt has just changed govs without guns, so I'd have to say that guns are not necessary to act, and maybe acting without them is the greater act of courage. Well, I darn well know I'm not that brave, religious, or crazy so I'm keeping mine.

 

[One-Eyed Ross]

What happend to the Stereotype that all Democrats (Especially Southern Dixiecrat ones) are Segregationists & Kluxer sympathizers

They left the party and became republicans during the Johnson administration because of his "Great Society" ideology, if'n I disremember correctly.

 

[Gator Monroe]

This is turning into an inquisition, and I doubt my judges even know the area code of objectivity.

I like to check the accuaracy of common quotes, it is amazing how few are accurate.
A lot of free democratic countries have gun control laws.
For example, the UK, Australia, India, Israel, Finland, and Germany (oops should have left that last one out, lol).
It seems that we really can't infer anything about what is going to happen in a country based on gun control, finding examples of countries gone bad that have gun control like Mexico is easy, but means nothing in terms of making a valid argument.

We can all talk bravely about what we would do with our pop guns (realistic assesement of my arsenal) against a government military, but until that condition exists we can't know what we would do. In Syria right now unarmed protestors are being shot by government forces, India managed to overthrow English rule without guns, Egypt has just changed govs without guns, so I'd have to say that guns are not necessary to act, and maybe acting without them is the greater act of courage. Well, I darn well know I'm not that brave, religious, or crazy so I'm keeping mine.

You forgot Israel (Stricter Gun Cointrol Laws then California & New York Combined) ?