Washington Did you know you can sell guns to non-citizens?

[oldcorpgunny]

No, it's incorrect. Both handguns and long guns are good to go

Hm-m-m. I distinctly remember one of the managers at WDFW being told by enforcement that she could not carry a handgun, but he might have been in error too, Thanks!

 

[Cheby]

Hm-m-m. I distinctly remember one of the managers at WDFW being told by enforcement that she could not carry a handgun, but he might have been in error too, Thanks!

RCW 9.41.171: Alien possession of firearms—Requirements—Penalty.

RCW 9.41.171
Alien possession of firearms—Requirements—Penalty.
It is a class C felony for any person who is not a citizen of the United States to carry or possess any firearm, unless the person: (1) Is a lawful permanent resident; (2) has obtained a valid alien firearm license pursuant to RCW 9.41.173; or (3) meets the requirements of RCW 9.41.175.

 

[Knebel]

Greencard holders/permanent legal residents fall under the same constitutional protection as citizens. We folks just can't vote :/

 

[The Resister]

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That is a layman's understanding of the term there, Perry. Now you're going to try that. Which side of the Second Amendment are you on? IN LAW, the words unalienable and inalienable are different concepts. Don't tell me I'm going to have to explain that one as well.

 

[No_Regerts]

That is a layman's understanding of the term there, Perry. Now you're going to try that. Which side of the Second Amendment are you on? IN LAW, the words unalienable and inalienable are different concepts. Don't tell me I'm going to have to explain that one as well.

If it wastes time off your ticker, by all means. But, I will submit to you that what you think, means nothing because the law is interpreted by man, not God.

 

[The Resister]

If it wastes time off your ticker, by all means.

On most boards there exists this one guy whose sole purpose is to initiate a whizzing contest on the board. Generally, because I was a lobbyist and studied law... and graduated... and put in over four decades fighting for gun Rights, I seem to be able to find the board trolls damn near every time I post.

The problem here is that you are NOT Perry Mason and you've run up against someone that has put in 1600 + hours of time researching and Shepardizing gun laws. I've been in court when required and earned my respect, not by trolling people on the Internet, but by busting my bubblegum in court-rooms (many times doing pro-bono work) and trying to help people NOT do stupid things.

A wise man once told me to never argue with an idiot. They will only drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. So, I won't waste bandwidth on you over this. If someone else asks, I can say unequivocally, that IN LAW, there is a legal difference between an unalienable Right and an inalienable right. The courts have interpreted the words quite differently. In business, we know that most laymen can't tell you the difference between a profit and a profit margin; IN LAW, I realize that 99 out of every 100 people don't know a difference exists between an unalienable Right and an inalienable right. In my experience those who argue against legal reality generally want the government to have powers the framers of the Constitution never intended. You are apparently one of those people and I will pass on any exchanges with you because you've revealed to me what you are. I do not believe in compromises on the Second Amendment. So, thanks, but let's steer clear of one another. No good can come from this kind of exchange.

 

[No_Regerts]

On most boards there exists this one guy whose sole purpose is to initiate a whizzing contest on the board. Generally, because I was a lobbyist and studied law... and graduated... and put in over four decades fighting for gun Rights, I seem to be able to find the board trolls damn near every time I post.

The problem here is that you are NOT Perry Mason and you've run up against someone that has put in 1600 + hours of time researching and Shepardizing gun laws. I've been in court when required and earned my respect, not by trolling people on the Internet, but by busting my bubblegum in court-rooms (many times doing pro-bono work) and trying to help people NOT do stupid things.

A wise man once told me to never argue with an idiot. They will only drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. So, I won't waste bandwidth on you over this. If someone else asks, I can say unequivocally, that IN LAW, there is a legal difference between an unalienable Right and an inalienable right. The courts have interpreted the words quite differently. In business, we know that most laymen can't tell you the difference between a profit and a profit margin; IN LAW, I realize that 99 out of every 100 people don't know a difference exists between an unalienable Right and an inalienable right. In my experience those who argue against legal reality generally want the government to have powers the framers of the Constitution never intended. You are apparently one of those people and I will pass on any exchanges with you because you've revealed to me what you are. I do not believe in compromises on the Second Amendment. So, thanks, but let's steer clear of one another. No good can come from this kind of exchange.

So, would you concede that the federal government has passed laws that restrict your 2A rights? Then you've proven the right isn't "unalienable" as its been alienated time and again. The very concept of "unalienable" is like "equality" or "freedom". It really doesn't exist, but I applaud your efforts!

 

[No_Regerts]

guys, you are f$cking up an useful thread.

I apologize for my good friend Resistor and I. He's been going through a rough patch.

 

[Xaevian]

I apologize for my good friend Resistor and I. He's been going through a rough patch.

I think it's funny they called you a troll, and then proceeded to extol all their virtues, experience, and education that clearly make them superior to every other 2A supporter ever created - in at least 2 threads.

Don't make me have to provide the dictionary definition of irony again...

 

[The Resister]

So, would you concede that the federal government has passed laws that restrict your 2A rights? Then you've proven the right isn't "unalienable" as its been alienated time and again. The very concept of "unalienable" is like "equality" or "freedom". It really doesn't exist, but I applaud your efforts!

You have exposed the fact that you do not support the concept of unalienable Rights. The road to Freedom and Liberty is a journey, not a destination. To compromise with the left as you have, means that you are always taking two steps forward and three steps back with your jailhouse psychology.

The government has the power to do anything it pleases; that does mean it has the authority.

Now, for stating my qualifications, I'm being subject to some really derogatory remarks. I'm not denigrating the work of others, but it is doubtful that any of you have the level of experience I have. Any of you can look up a name on the Internet, but how many of you ever heard of Hollis Wayne Fincher? He died just about a year ago. If you don't know the name, Google him. If his original attorney, Oscar Stilley, is still alive, ask him who done the lion's share of his legal work for free and was donating money to Fincher and his family during his ordeal. I was experienced by that time and I've done many an hour since to help the cause. That is not to say that some of you here are not doing things for the cause, but to denigrate me is not becoming IF we're working for the same thing.

As for being told we do not have unalienable Rights, it is a defeatist / socialist / anti gun argument used by a clique within gun rights organizations that are not really pro- Second Amendment. Having said that, I support the Right of non-citizens being able to purchase a firearm. I do not support the government knowingly allowing people into this country that come from places that have, essentially, declared war on us. That is all.

 

[oldcorpgunny]

You have exposed the fact that you do not support the concept of unalienable Rights. The road to Freedom and Liberty is a journey, not a destination. To compromise with the left as you have, means that you are always taking two steps forward and three steps back with your jailhouse psychology.

The government has the power to do anything it pleases; that does mean it has the authority.

Now, for stating my qualifications, I'm being subject to some really derogatory remarks. I'm not denigrating the work of others, but it is doubtful that any of you have the level of experience I have. Any of you can look up a name on the Internet, but how many of you ever heard of Hollis Wayne Fincher? He died just about a year ago. If you don't know the name, Google him. If his original attorney, Oscar Stilley, is still alive, ask him who done the lion's share of his legal work for free and was donating money to Fincher and his family during his ordeal. I was experienced by that time and I've done many an hour since to help the cause. That is not to say that some of you here are not doing things for the cause, but to denigrate me is not becoming IF we're working for the same thing.

As for being told we do not have unalienable Rights, it is a defeatist / socialist / anti gun argument used by a clique within gun rights organizations that are not really pro- Second Amendment. Having said that, I support the Right of non-citizens being able to purchase a firearm. I do not support the government knowingly allowing people into this country that come from places that have, essentially, declared war on us. That is all.

Anybody can claim virtually anything on the internet. Your opinions are your own and are probably not shared by a great many on this forum. It seems to me that you are little more than an internet "troll" looking for someone to argue with. I support our member in good standing for a very long time, No_Regerts.

 

[No_Regerts]

You have exposed the fact that you do not support the concept of unalienable Rights. The road to Freedom and Liberty is a journey, not a destination. To compromise with the left as you have, means that you are always taking two steps forward and three steps back with your jailhouse psychology.

The government has the power to do anything it pleases; that does mean it has the authority.

Now, for stating my qualifications, I'm being subject to some really derogatory remarks. I'm not denigrating the work of others, but it is doubtful that any of you have the level of experience I have. Any of you can look up a name on the Internet, but how many of you ever heard of Hollis Wayne Fincher? He died just about a year ago. If you don't know the name, Google him. If his original attorney, Oscar Stilley, is still alive, ask him who done the lion's share of his legal work for free and was donating money to Fincher and his family during his ordeal. I was experienced by that time and I've done many an hour since to help the cause. That is not to say that some of you here are not doing things for the cause, but to denigrate me is not becoming IF we're working for the same thing.

As for being told we do not have unalienable Rights, it is a defeatist / socialist / anti gun argument used by a clique within gun rights organizations that are not really pro- Second Amendment. Having said that, I support the Right of non-citizens being able to purchase a firearm. I do not support the government knowingly allowing people into this country that come from places that have, essentially, declared war on us. That is all.

Again, I admire the fact you have fought/do fight for 2A rights. I don't think we are understanding each other very well. I understand how the term unalienable was used and what it means. I'm not arguing it shouldn't be that way. I just don't see how they really exist in practice.

 

[a6m5]

I've liked firearms all my life, but I was as surprised as some of you when I found out that I could own them as a green card holder/resident alien. When buddy of mine told me this years ago, I didn't believe it.

My understanding has been that Resident Aliens (Green Card holders) may purchase and carry long guns for hunting and sporting purposes, but may not own or carry handguns.

Resident alien can own handguns, but as far as I'm aware, cannot get conceal carry permit in Oregon.... unless you provide proof of naturalization application showing that you are in the process of getting citizenship. I'm not aware of any restrictions on long gun ownership.

I've lived here since late 80's, but I was finally getting around to getting the citizenship(to get concealed carry permit ). If it wasn't for the pandemic, I'd probably be a U.S. Citizen by now!(USCIS interview's been pushed back from August to November)

 

[The Heretic]

You have exposed the fact that you do not support the concept of unalienable Rights. The road to Freedom and Liberty is a journey, not a destination. To compromise with the left as you have, means that you are always taking two steps forward and three steps back with your jailhouse psychology.

The government has the power to do anything it pleases; that does mean it has the authority.

Now, for stating my qualifications, I'm being subject to some really derogatory remarks. I'm not denigrating the work of others, but it is doubtful that any of you have the level of experience I have. Any of you can look up a name on the Internet, but how many of you ever heard of Hollis Wayne Fincher? He died just about a year ago. If you don't know the name, Google him. If his original attorney, Oscar Stilley, is still alive, ask him who done the lion's share of his legal work for free and was donating money to Fincher and his family during his ordeal. I was experienced by that time and I've done many an hour since to help the cause. That is not to say that some of you here are not doing things for the cause, but to denigrate me is not becoming IF we're working for the same thing.

As for being told we do not have unalienable Rights, it is a defeatist / socialist / anti gun argument used by a clique within gun rights organizations that are not really pro- Second Amendment. Having said that, I support the Right of non-citizens being able to purchase a firearm. I do not support the government knowingly allowing people into this country that come from places that have, essentially, declared war on us. That is all.

I remember him - I think. Years ago - back when I lived in the Seattle area.

Patriot Passing a Reminder of Harsh Punishments for Defying Gun Infringements

Because he exercised his right to keep and bear arms, the government sentenced Wayne Fincher to “6 1/2 years in federal prison..."

www.ammoland.com

 

[The Resister]

Anybody can claim virtually anything on the internet. Your opinions are your own and are probably not shared by a great many on this forum. It seems to me that you are little more than an internet "troll" looking for someone to argue with. I support our member in good standing for a very long time, No_Regerts.

Sir, I most assuredly did not start any fight nor "troll" anyone. Quite the converse is true. I walked around the block to avoid a confrontation, but ran into your board bully. Ever since the people worshiped the Golden Calf in biblical times, the majority has been proven wrong. Gun Rights have taken a beating since the people began compromising with liberalism. So, if a majority here disagree with me, maybe that explains why you're losing in the courts and gradually losing support in Congress and accepting gun control on the installment plan.

The truth became a problem here and I heard you. I'm on my way out the door provided the real trolls and phonies don't try to bubblegum slap me on the way out. Drop it and I won't respond.

 

[BrandonQuixote]

Good. He should have been able to buy it out of a vending machine while he's here.

 

[The Resister]

Again, I admire the fact you have fought/do fight for 2A rights. I don't think we are understanding each other very well. I understand how the term unalienable was used and what it means. I'm not arguing it shouldn't be that way. I just don't see how they really exist in practice.

What exists in practice is what we make it. The major key to any victory is NOT accepting the enemy's political positions nor their vocabulary. The moment you begin doing that, you start an irreversible process whereby you cannot win. I fully accept the FACT that laymen disagree with my position, but it is factually correct both historically and legally. Those who undermine what I bring to the table end up accepting gun control on the installment plan.

I would admonish them to put on the brakes, listen to what the courts just said and figure out one thing: allowing them to win simply because the pendulum has been going in their direction is capitulation. The left is winning because they don't give up. Just because the majority don't see it their way, they keep repeating the same mantra. If you knew what you were doing was wrong, then you only helped the enemies of Freedom. I'm right and it's time to learn the truth and hold the government accountable. THAT is why you have a Second Amendment.

 

[DB is Here]

Ok, let's knock off the petty jabs, back on topic please.

 

[ragg]

As a permanent resident alien, aka green card holder, I'm certainly grateful that I can purchase and conceal carry firearms here in WA. I have a beautiful family that I want to protect. from a quick google search it looks like there are a handful of states with some or many restrictions for non-citizens. Lucky to be here in WA I guess.

generally speaking from personal experience and knowledge, we have many many of the same rights and responsibilities as US citizens. Primary distinction is the right to vote, only reserved to and possible for citizens. Then you also cannot get security clearances although you can access non-classified govt and ITAR regulated information (I know bc I worked for a DOE lab and aerospace mfr). You have to sign up for selective service. You can serve in the military. You have to pay taxes, same rates as citizens - this might sound obvious but I've come across people who swear immigrants don't pay taxes. You can work for the government though you may encounter limitations, especially if it's defense related. You can get and have to repay student loans. You can purchase property. you are a "permanent" resident but have to renew your card every 10 years. Commit a crime and you're getting deported.

I can go on but you get the gist of it.

 

[Mark W.]

Don't sell guns the concept just makes no sense to me. I don't buy anything I don't want. So why would I sell it.