Washington Did Washington just ban 80% lowers and pre-1968 guns?

[DRZ400S]

Or you could just be a criminal much easier...that's what this law is making us law abiding citizens...criminals. I lost all my guns in a boat accident just last week.

 

[DRZ400S]

I also reported the loss just incase law enforcement finds them..That way I am covered if they are used in a crime

 

[DRZ400S]

Ok, now I am confused since I lost all my guns in a boat accident...after July 1 2019 I can't build a 80% handgun for personal use in the state of Washington? Because, of new state laws that are also the same as Federal laws.

 

[DB is Here]

Ok, now I am confused since I lost all my guns in a boat accident...after July 1 2019 I can't build a 80% handgun for personal use in the state of Washington? Because, of new state laws that are also the same as Federal laws.

See post #5

 

[DRZ400S]

 

[GlockFan1990]

According to a Facebook post lower receivers will no longer be legal to buy/sell. Is there any truth to this?

 

[awshoot]

According to a Facebook post lower receivers will no longer be legal to buy/sell. Is there any truth to this?

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No. They will remain legal. The issue however is that if a seller does not conduct a background check and a prohibited person uses the product in making a firearm, the seller would be in deep trouble. So while you can still buy 80% stuff legally (at least metal stuff -- plastics may or may not get you trouble depending on how well they show up on xray and if you already have plastic frames/receivers, those may become contraband, again, depending on how well they show up on xray), you would also end up in a database maintained by the DOL.

I went through the specifics pretty carefully here: Washington - Did Washington just ban 80% lowers and pre-`68 guns?

 

[jimmeh]

Yeah. I would caution you to be very careful with what info you get from a gif on Facebook. Lots of hyperbole and false to semi-false to blatantly-false info is tossed around that arena regularly.

 

[GlockFan1990]

Yeah. I would caution you to be very careful with what info you get from a gif on Facebook. Lots of hyperbole and false to semi-false to blatantly-false info is tossed around that arena regularly.

Very true which is why I wanted to run it by here.

 

[Oohrah]

Also, I'm not gonna name names, but I know factually that even notarized documents have been doctored, or outright lied and done unlawfully in the past. So even notarizations can and have been challenged in the court of law. Maybe not successfully won all the time, but not 100% fool proof bomb proof, either.

I hereby swear that when I turned over in that crib in Kenya, here was this half white/black baby next to me being called Barry or Obrack, or some kind of a messed up name, or maybe just getting him to speak Hawaiian? Something about coming in handy when a hospital gets built?

 

[geezer_gun]

--- Pending U.S Legislation seeks to effectively outlaw the building of 80% Lowers. For more information, click HERE to read the proposed bill. ---

NOTE: We can no longer ship 80% Lowers to New Jersey or Washington State.

FYI

 

[geezer_gun]

I would worry if I owned something like the pics shown below because remember, if one of the listed components (barrel or frame/receiver or cylinder/slide) fails to show on xray, no matter how obviously gun-ish the thing is, it is "undetectable" contraband and mere possession is a crime.

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What me worry?

 

[awshoot]

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--- Pending U.S Legislation seeks to effectively outlaw the building of 80% Lowers. For more information, click HERE to read the proposed bill. ---

NOTE: We can no longer ship 80% Lowers to New Jersey or Washington State.

FYI

Wow -- that deserves its own thread: Other State - House assault on DIY guns

 

[1Gr8m9d]

Brownells thinks they are banned. I tried ordering one on Black Friday and they will not ship them to Washington State.

unfortunately this is an over reaction. the requirement shouldn't limit sales, it requires the builter to stamp a serial # and file it with the feds.

I guess Brownells is now on my list of retailers to not buy from anymore.

 

[User 1234]

Brownells is probably concerned about the presumption of negligence that arises if a retailer sells an 80% to a Washington resident without a background check and that resident uses it in a crime. The PLCAA might provide immunity, but they don't want to rely on that. That's my estimate.

 

[Red98422]

There is nothing on the legal side that bans them. As has been discussed previously.

The reason Brownells no longer sells them is probably due to pressure from the manufacturer who stated on their site "we will encourage all of the vendors of our product to stop selling to WA residents" I imagine this means they're strong arming Brownells.

 

[awshoot]

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unfortunately this is an over reaction. the requirement shouldn't limit sales, it requires the builter to stamp a serial # and file it with the feds.
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This is not accurate. The law makes it a crime to help a prohibited person build a DIY gun (*) UNLESS you do a background check first. There is no mechanism for doing background checks on 80% lowers, and so Brownells risks sending an 80% lower to a prohibited person which would be a criminal act on Brownells' part.

Secondly, you are allowed to build a DIY firearm as long as you do not intend to sell it. There is no provision in the law for adding a serial number. The firearm is considered legal but untraceable under the definition. The only firearms that are not considered untraceable, are those with a serial number affixed by a Federally licensed manufacturer. You are almost certainly not so licensed, so any gun you make will be considered untraceable no matter how you mark it up.

Lastly, I am not aware of any mechanism which allows a home builder to apply for and receive a serial number from the ATF in any event. This is worth reading, and it can make sense to mark your firearms, but that is optional and doing so doesn't protect you from WA law: Am I Required to Apply a Serial Number to a Homemade Firearm?

(*) Selling an 80% lower would certainly be considered helping under the statute.

 

[bentoncity]

This is not accurate. The law makes it a crime to help a prohibited person build a DIY gun (*) UNLESS you do a background check first. There is no mechanism for doing background checks on 80% lowers, and so Brownells risks sending an 80% lower to a prohibited person which would be a criminal act on Brownells' part.

(*) Selling an 80% lower would certainly be considered helping under the statute.

Uhh I'm going to have to disagree with you on this part of your assertion.. "(*) Selling an 80% lower would certainly be considered helping under the statute." I utterly fail to see how!
I'm uncertain about the helping someone build a DIY weapon because I'm to lazy to look it up at the moment. HOWEVER... and this is just my observation..

1. If one were to use your assertion/premise of 'someone' selling a piece of material, that's considered an 80% finished product, then the people that mfg. the material to 'provide' to whomever make an 80% receiver would be culpable as well would they not?
2. And IF that were true, then would it be illogical to conclude the people that mined the material to make the part would be culpable?
3. Then would it be illogical to conclude the shareholders of the mining/mfg companies were, in fact, also culpable?
4. And since I'm chasing this rabbit down the hole.. the companies/persons that provided anything/everything that produced the materials/machinery in order to supply 80% parts in any form. Gas, steel, diesel, copper, plastics and an endless spiel of whatever.. are also culpable?

I'm not trying to be a smarta$$ here but just looking at this from the legal side of things. Even worse is if one actually reads the proposed HR 7115 house bill. Contradictory language is the lead in the bill to say the least. None-the-less, be sure to write your elected politician to ask them to not support it in ANY manner or form.

Dan

The ATF clearly states an 80% is:

What is an “80%” or “unfinished" receiver? | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

“80% receiver,” “80% finished,” “80% complete” and “unfinished receiver” are all terms referring to an item that some may believe has not yet reached a stage of manufacture that meets the definition of "firearm frame" or "receiver" according to the Gun Control Act (GCA). These are not statutory...

www.atf.gov

What is an "80%" or "unfinished" receiver?
"80% receiver," "80% finished," "80% complete," "unfinished receiver" are all terms referring to an item that some may believe has not yet reached a stage of manufacture that meets the definition of firearm frame or receiver found in the Gun Control Act of 1968 (GCA). These are not statutory terms or terms ATF employs or endorses.

 

[Alexx1401]

Brownells thinks they are banned. I tried ordering one on Black Friday and they will not ship them to Washington State.

unfortunately this is an over reaction. the requirement shouldn't limit sales, it requires the builter to stamp a serial # and file it with the feds.

I guess Brownells is now on my list of retailers to not buy from anymore.

As has been discussed here before companies only make a certain amount of profit off stuff like this. If their legal team warns them the risk is too great for the profit they feel it's not worth it. The state has tax payer paid for lawyers and can spend as much as they want on going after them. The Co has to pay for their own as they don't have unlimited tax funds to blow on this. This is not Brownells fault, its the direct result of voters here.
In the FWIW 5D is still selling these to us. They are sending ads for an new version also that is coming. If someone wants some I would not wait too long to order though the way this is going. A LOT of gun owners do not know how this works and can't be bothered to fight it. A lot of gun owners when they hear of this figure it's not for them so they don't care. Sadly this is just how it is.

 

[Oohrah]

There is nothing on the legal side that bans them. As has been discussed previously.

The reason Brownells no longer sells them is probably due to pressure from the manufacturer who stated on their site "we will encourage all of the vendors of our product to stop selling to WA residents" I imagine this means they're strong arming Brownells.

Rather than leave open end hassles to the courts like California's screwed laws against laws and Constitutional law both State and US ignored, no one sells and in some cases even repairs firearms, ammo, or any related products to anyone, and all within that state. I guess a solution would be to rid that state of their Demoratic leadership (loosely) and get rid of those non laws! Continue in it's present form and Washington, and the rest of the coastal lemmings will also follow it to destruction of the other third world bankrupt Socialist Democratic communist endings. Two hundred and forty four years of freedom will end with a few good men dying with the greatest ideas ever devised! Pretty much a waste if it goes by the way of those countries who had it, and let it go to those few greedy power mongers!