Dianne Feinstein introduces NO GUNS FOR TERRORISTS bill in Congress

[RicInOR]

The Donald appears to agree with Dianne.

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[OutlawHoss]

Well, I was wrong in my previous assessment:
Trump, GOP lawmakers open door to restricting gun buys for those on watch list | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/06/15/trump-gop-lawmakers-open-door-to-restricting-gun-buys-for-those-on-watch-list.html?intcmp=hpbt1)

This why I can't get behind Trump, he's a deal maker by trade, not someone who can make a stand.

 

[Contract_Pilot]

They already have a form of this.... The Denied Persons List (http://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/the-denied-persons-list) and this is just one list! http://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/the-denied-persons-list

 

[LRHunter]

Does "I'm from the government and I'm here to help" ring a bell anywhere in this conversation?

 

[LRHunter]

Let's not forget this
Washington Times
Thursday, April 16, 2009
Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said Wednesday that she was briefed before the release of a controversial intelligence assessment and that she stands by the report, which lists returning veterans among terrorist risks to the U.S.

But the top House Democrat with oversight of the Department of Homeland Security said in a letter to Ms. Napolitano that he was "dumbfounded" that such a report would be issued.


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"This report appears to raise significant issues involving the privacy and civil liberties of many Americans - including war veterans," said Rep. Bennie Thompson of Mississippi, chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, in his letter sent Tuesday night.

The letter was representative of a public furor over the nine-page document since its existence was reported in The Washington Times on Tuesday.


In her statement Wednesday, Ms. Napolitano defended the report, which says "rightwing extremism" may include groups opposed to abortion and immigration, as merely one among several threat assessments. But she agreed to meet with the head of the American Legion, who had expressed anger over the report, when she returns to Washington next week from a tour of the U.S.-Mexico border.

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"The document on right-wing extremism sent last week by this department's Office of Intelligence and Analysis is one in an ongoing series of assessments to provide situational awareness to state, local and tribal law enforcement agencies on the phenomenon and trends of violent radicalization in the United States," Ms. Napolitano said in her statement.


"I was briefed on the general topic, which is one that struck a nerve as someone personally involved in the Timothy McVeigh prosecution," Ms. Napolitano said.

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Ms. Napolitano insisted that the department was not planning on engaging in any form of ideological profiling.

"Let me be very clear: We monitor the risks of violent extremism taking root here in the United States. We don't have the luxury of focusing our efforts on one group; we must protect the country from terrorism whether foreign or homegrown, and regardless of the ideology that motivates its violence," Ms. Napolitano said.

"We are on the lookout for criminal and terrorist activity but we do not - nor will we ever - monitor ideology or political beliefs. We take seriously our responsibility to protect the civil rights and liberties of the American people, including subjecting our activities to rigorous oversight from numerous internal and external sources."

The Times reported Tuesday that the department's Office of Intelligence and Analysis (I&A) issued April 7 the nine-page document titled "Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment." Outcry from veterans groups, Republican lawmakers and conservative activists followed, but the reaction spread Wednesday to Democratic lawmakers and liberal-leaning groups.

In his letter to Ms. Napolitano, Mr. Thompson demanded that Homeland Security officials explain how and why they wrote the report and whether it poses any threat to civil liberties.

"As I am certain you agree, freedom of association and freedom of speech are guaranteed to all Americans - whether a person's beliefs, whatever their political orientation, are 'extremist' or not," Mr. Thompson said.

Mr. Thompson said the report "blurred the line," and that he is "disappointed and surprised that the department would allow this report to be disseminated" to law enforcement officials nationwide.

Homeland Security officials have declined to say who wrote report, except that it was a career official and not a political appointee.

Only three employees are listed in the Federal Yellow Book as working for the I&A office - acting Undersecretary Roger Mackin and two executive assistants.

Mr. Thompson's letter said, "I am particularly struck by the report's conclusion which states that I&A 'will be working with its state and local partners over the next several months to ascertain with greater regional specificity the rise in rightwing extremist activity in the United States with a particular emphasis on the political, economic, and social factors that drive rightwing extremist radicalization.' " He demanded to know what types of activities the Homeland Security Department had planned for "the next several months."

"Rightwing extremism," the report said in a footnote on Page 2, goes beyond religious and racial hate groups and extends to "those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely."

"It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration," said the report, which also listed gun owners and veterans of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars as potential risks.

The assessment is not the first Homeland Security product to examine threats based on political extremism. In January, the department sent law enforcement officials an assessment of cyberterrorism threats from such left-leaning sources as environmental, animal rights and anarchist groups.

Mike German, policy counsel for the American Civil Liberties Union and a former FBI agent, said his organization was concerned about law enforcement agencies' focus on radicalization, regardless of the specific ideology.

"Certainly, the right-wing report is focused far too much on rhetoric and things people say and things people think rather than on criminal activity and the people involved in criminal activity," he said. "There is plenty of crime out there for federal, state and local law enforcement to worry about. They don't need to invent threats that they have no factual basis for supporting."

The American Legion on Tuesday said the latest report unfairly stereotypes veterans.

"I am aware of the letter from American Legion National Commander [David K.] Rehbein, and my staff has already contacted him to set up a meeting next week once I return from travel. I will tell him face-to-face that we honor veterans at DHS and employ thousands across the department, up to and including the Deputy Secretary," Ms. Napolitano said.

"As the department responsible for protecting the homeland, DHS will continue to work with its state and local partners to prevent and protect against the potential threat to the United States associated with any rise in violent extremist activity," Ms. Napolitano said.

Asked about the report at Wednesday's White House briefing, press secretary Robert Gibbs said he has not spoken with President Obama specifically about it.

"Without getting into the report, I think the president works hard every day to make sure that all Americans are safe and secure," Mr. Gibbs said.

"And I would say that, as it relates to some aspect of the report, that the president believes those who serve our country represent the very best of it," Mr. Gibbs said.

House Minority Leader John A. Boehner, Ohio Republican, said Wednesday that the department owes veterans an apology.

"To characterize men and women returning home after defending our country as potential terrorists is offensive and unacceptable," he said. "Everyone agrees that the department should be focused on protecting America, but using such broad-based generalizations about the American people is simply outrageous."

Rep. Steve Buyer of Indiana, the ranking Republican on the House Committee on Veterans' Affairs, called it "inconceivable" that the Obama administration would categorize veterans as a potential threat.

"This kind of mischaracterization can lead to discrimination against veterans in our society, especially in the job market," Mr. Buyer said. "Vietnam veterans were subjected to this unfair treatment, and I call upon President Obama and members of Congress to refute any similar stereotyping of Iraq and Afghanistan veterans."

• Jon Ward contributed to this report.

 

[RicInOR]

FBI Wrongly Put Me On the "No Fly" List - The Reason Why I Needed To Buy A Gun Might Surprise You - Counter Current News (http://countercurrentnews.com/2016/06/fbi-wrongly-put-no-fly-list/)

" You may not like guns. I was not particularly fond of them before I was threatened by known terrorists and terrorist organizations either. But the reality is that they have served as a deterrent to those who have threatened myself and my family with kidnapping, and even rape and murder.

If you agree that I should not have been banned from defending myself and my family from these terrorist threats, just because the FBI wrongly (and temporarily) put me on the "No Fly" terror watch list, then help SPREAD THE WORD!"

 

[OLDNEWBIE]

Any anti-gun Liberal worth his salt should be against this as would the ACLU, but on certain issues like guns, profiling potential Terrorists is OK.
The ends justify the means.
No problem letting masses of un-vetted potential Terrorists in the Country though.

IMO a watch list should have many levels and some pretty hard evidence before an outright ban on gun purchases or other rights. But the whole idea is asinine anyway!

When it get's to that stage, let them buy the gun under close surveillance and see what the plan is then arrest them before the act occurs.

Pass a ban and you lose the opportunity to catch these pukes as they will buy off the black market under the radar or be supplied by their supporters. Probably with deadlier full autos and bombs too!

 

[BlackRyder]

anyone listening to c-span right now? Democrats are filibustering on the issue. Some good points are being brought up but there is ALOT of misinformation flying around.
Also, everything I've heard so far from the aclu indicates that they are against the idea of the whole no fly, no buy law. At least until better accommodations towards due process are put in.

 

[nammac]

The bill would allow the US Attorney General to develop a database of potential terrorists, and anyone in this database would then be denied the right to purchase a gun.

Feinstein says this gun control law would prevent tragedies like Orlando from happening.

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Feinstein says that this is a bill that the entire nation can support, because it would only apply to folks that pose a terror threat.

Databases, restrictions, lack of due process... All the while importing more and more insufficently vetted Muzzlegums...

Those who cannot purchase legally will simply turn to the black market. Sounds like just another infridement of Americans Second Amendment rights...

 

[nammac]

anyone listening to c-span right now? Democrats are filibustering on the issue. Some good points are being brought up but there is ALOT of misinformation flying around.
Also, everything I've heard so far from the aclu indicates that they are against the idea of the whole no fly, no buy law. At least until better accommodations towards due process are put in.

Can you imagine the power the ACLU and the NRA could wield if they joined forces... I feel intoxicated by the thought... After all, the Second Amendment is a civil liberty...

 

[nammac]

Hillary made a public statement just recently saying anyone under an FBI investigation should not be allowed to buy any guns.... although it's apparently OK for someone to run for President of the USA while under investigation... cough, cough.

I nominate @Stomper for the post of the day for this one!!!! Well done sir, very truthful and an indication of just how much trouble our country is really in...

 

[WasrNwarpaint]

oh please dont you guys ever listen to the president?
they are just a JV Team and our biggest problem is "Global Warming"......

I agree no terrorist should be able to legally buy a gun to get us, but with our current admin in charge if your tea party a vet or anyone anti democrat, you may very well be on the list ALREADY AND THE IRS OR SOME GOVT LONG ARM IS OUT TO GET YOU

Our president giveS f16's tanks and a billion dollars to the bad guys, guns to drug cartels, isis, last week he told the Vietnamese he will start selling guns to them too....I could go on & on

you just have to face it, look at who's being armed and who's being disarmed

A democratic vote is a vote to eviscerate the constitution
..........ITS ON YOU!

 

[BanjoGeek]

anyone listening to c-span right now? Democrats are filibustering on the issue. Some good points are being brought up but there is ALOT of misinformation flying around.
Also, everything I've heard so far from the aclu indicates that they are against the idea of the whole no fly, no buy law. At least until better accommodations towards due process are put in.

Our star commie from Oregon ron wyden right in there promoting his communist agenda with this fillabuster. What a puke.

 

[bolus]

oh please dont you guys ever listen to the president?
they are just a JV Team and our biggest problem is "Global Warming"......

I agree no terrorist should be able to legally buy a gun to get us, but with our current admin in charge if your tea party a vet or anyone anti democrat, you may very well be on the list ALREADY AND THE IRS OR SOME GOVT LONG ARM IS OUT TO GET YOU

Our president giveS f16's tanks and a billion dollars to the bad guys, guns to drug cartels, isis last week he told the Vietnamese he will start selling guns to them too....I could go on & on

you just have to face it, look at who's being armed and who's being disarmed

A democratic vote is a vote to eviscerate the constitution ITS ON YOU!

People are very weird about our government. They have this amnesia effect. All the corrupt evil our government does on a daily basis where everyone gets up in arms and yells and protests and then the very next day they are begging to same corrupt government to take their rights away.

I dont think the majority of this country deserves their freedom anymore. Part of me really hopes they succeed in driving the country into the ground, ruining their rights and economy and freedom. Then they will finally know, when they have lost it all, what they begged to be taken from them.

Im glad I dont have kids of my own.

 

[BlackRyder]

People are very weird about our government. They have this amnesia effect. All the corrupt evil our government does on a daily basis where everyone gets up in arms and yells and protests and then the very next day they are begging to same corrupt government to take their rights away.

I dont think the majority of this country deserves their freedom anymore. Part of me really hopes they succeed in driving the country into the ground, ruining their rights and economy and freedom. Then they will finally know, when they have lost it all, what they begged to be taken from them.

Im glad I dont have kids of my own.

There's definitely part of me that is rooting for a massive collapse- but I think that's the same part that was always running away from home as a kid to go hide in the woods for days on end (not that that's a bad thing! I think I may have read too many of those boy in the woods survival books- my side of the mountain, hatchet, etc..)
But now that I have a family I'm definitely more concerned about the continuation of society. I fear they day when I have to say something like, "when your daddy was a boy there used to be this thing called electricity!" Or "grandson, when I was young we used to have these things called glaciers!"
Anyway, looks like there's going to be a run on 30 round magazines starting today... I guess the republicans conceded to the dems last night and they're going to have a vote on some new gun laws.

 

[nammac]

Won't bode well in November if the R's roll over on any kind of firearms legislation. Now is not the time to restrict Americans ability to defend themselves from the Radical Mooselimb terrorists...

This is so beyond a slippery slope...

My question is why aren't we going after the root of the problem? You do not get rid of weeds by killing the grass... Geeezzzzz.....

 

[PaulB47]

"Let me be very clear: We monitor the risks of violent extremism taking root here in the United States. We don't have the luxury of focusing our efforts on one group; we must protect the country from terrorism whether foreign or homegrown, and regardless of the ideology that motivates its violence," Ms. Napolitano said.

Hmmm, I wonder who protects us from the protectors?

"We are on the lookout for criminal and terrorist activity but we do not - nor will we ever - monitor ideology or political beliefs. We take seriously our responsibility to protect the civil rights and liberties of the American people...

Other than the right to bear arms. Oh, and the right to free speech too. And the right to be free of unreasonable searches. And the right to be tried by a jury of peers. And... Hmmm, there seem to be a lot of exceptions here...

A democratic vote is a vote to eviscerate the constitution

Unfortunately, so is a Republican vote.

People are very weird about our government. They have this amnesia effect. All the corrupt evil our government does on a daily basis where everyone gets up in arms and yells and protests and then the very next day they are begging to same corrupt government to take their rights away.

It's the Government Religion, the only established religion in this country. All the other religions in America are just window-dressing. What you see now with the Government Religion, was just like it was to be a Catholic in Europe in the Middle Ages - just before the Reformation, when people couldn't stand it any more.

An Apostate From the Government Religion | Strike-The-Root: A Journal Of Liberty (http://strike-the-root.com/apostate-from-government-religion)

 

[Stomper]

Well, as of this evening I'm not on the no-fly/no-buy list. On the way home tonight I bought a G43 as a BUG to my G19/G30 EDC and loaded it up with 135gr. Hornady Critcal Duty....

 

[pdx210]

Great, boy that didn't take long, did it? Another impenetrable list you won't know you're on and with no way to get off.
I feel so much safer already.

Take long?

They have a long list of legislative bills, articles, PR material ready and waiting to roll out at the most opportune time. Go to Yahoo.com front page we are in the midst of a anti-gun media blitz

 

[Dave Workman]

Chicago body count shows why Senate Dems all wet on gun control

The lead story in this morning's Chicago Tribune should be all that is necessary to prove that Senate Democrats pushing new gun control measures today on Capitol Hill are all wet, and are providing more flash but no substance in the effort to reduce gun-related violence.

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