This is one of those WTF stories that you are first think has to be some kind of joke. What is going on that a Federal Office would hire some MORON like this and let him carry a gun??
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This is one of those WTF stories that you are first think has to be some kind of joke. What is going on that a Federal Office would hire some MORON like this and let him carry a gun??
If I remember correctly, Criminal Justice in America 101 discusses the letter of the law, the spirit of the law and the use of discretion at each point in the CJS. Apparently the mall ninja never took that class.
Deputy tried to bully his will and surprise...fail!
Sorry, being a Deputy doesn't mean you're God.
At certain times, even Deputies have to disarm...this was one of those times.
Disarm for what reason? He was on duty, gun-free zones don't apply. Funny how many members here brag about ignoring gun-free zone signs yet some think the deputy should have disarmed?
I posted the law above. federal law prohibits the carry of firearms on federal property unless both a law enforcement officer and there on official business. The fact that he was in a on-duty/paid status has no bearing as he freely admits he was there on personal business.
Bottom line he broke federal law. The guard attempted to detain him and he walked away. That would not be permitted for an ordinary citizen
But it should! (be permitted for an ordinary citizen)I posted the law above. federal law prohibits the carry of firearms on federal property unless both a law enforcement officer and there on official business. The fact that he was in a on-duty/paid status has no bearing as he freely admits he was there on personal business.
Bottom line he broke federal law. The guard attempted to detain him and he walked away. That would not be permitted for an ordinary citizen
Seems a little thin skinned from someone who works in a job where they regularly point guns at people.
While the reaction by the guard was extreme, even I know weapons are not allowed on Federal property- it's well posted outside. As he was not there on official business, that rule would apply equally to Gaston.
So he was committing a federal offense that comes with a fine and one year in prison. And then resisted arrest when the guard tried to detain him. It ultimately went his way because he's a cop and professional courtesy, yadda yadda. He was still breaking the law. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
I've read that those who have a CPL are even less likely to be involved in A shooting than Cops...but I digress and understand your point.The outrage is because the person was a cop, who is: 1. "obviously not a threat"
Discretion requires intelligence. The LEO looked like an LEO and unless he was impersonating an office, mall ninja should have cut him slack with the understanding (1) it may beI would agree if the same courtesy was extended to a CCW holder who made the mistake of not disarming before entering the building.
The outrage is because the person was a cop, who is: 1. "obviously not a threat" and 2. "Should be allowed to carry a gun anywhere," but the federal law doesn't make that distinction. He was there on personal business and subject to the same rules as you and me.
There's no audio in the tape, so for all we know the guard politely explained all this and said the deputy needed to wait for Federal Protective Services to come and decide whether they wanted to arrest and prosecute him and he responded by telling the guy to go to hell and walking away.
Does anyone here think if you committed an arrestable offense and told the deputy in the video to pound sand while walking away when he tried to detain you that he wouldn't have drawn his gun on you?
Discretion requires intelligence. The LEO looked like an LEO and unless he was impersonating an office, mall ninja should have cut him slack with the understanding (1) it may be
policy that the officer wear his weapon while on the job/break/lunch, (2) not a good idea for an LEO to walk around disarmed in today's climate. But like I said...intelligence required.
You don't know who is dating who or what happened at home last night. You don't know that someone had to move out to get safe and the only place they can be found now is at work. When offering "courtesy", you may inadvertently allow someone to do something really ugly.
Why does that second statement remind me of the VA... ee-gads!When on duty, I carry in court all of the time when I am there on official business. When I went to renew my CPL the other day in the same building, I went in completely unarmed. Not so much as a set of fingernail clippers. I wasn't on official business and I don't do personal business on duty.
This may sound out of left field, but you NEVER know what someone's motivations are. You don't know who is dating who or what happened at home last night. You don't know that someone had to move out to get safe and the only place they can be found now is at work. When offering "courtesy", you may inadvertently allow someone to do something really ugly.
Did the guard ask him to put his weapon in one of their lockers? I may have missed that part. Whenever we were dropping someone at the jail we would enter the sallyport, lock up the weapon and escort the arrested individual inside. Never seemed a problem to me.Let me ask you this. With professional courtesy in mind, why would the deputy ever ask someone to disregard policy and put their job in jeopardy so you can avoid the time it takes to lock up your gun? If there are armed people in that building, I almost guarantee there are weapon lockers.
I posted the law above. federal law prohibits the carry of firearms on federal property unless both a law enforcement officer and there on official business. The fact that he was in a on-duty/paid status has no bearing as he freely admits he was there on personal business.
Bottom line he broke federal law. The guard attempted to detain him and he walked away. That would not be permitted for an ordinary citizen
Did the guard ask him to put his weapon in one of their lockers? I may have missed that part. Whenever we were dropping someone at the jail we would enter the sallyport, lock up the weapon and escort the arrested individual inside. Never seemed a problem to me.
That is a lot different than 'Sir, our policy is to lock up your weapon in our gun safe before proceeding; if you follow me I will take you to the locker'According to the article, always iffy, it claimed he told the LEO he would have to go and leave it in his car.
Did you "hear" what you just said? Guard tried to detain an on duty LEO? Really? Does anyone really think this should go any other way?
Lots of merit to this thinking, you just never know what's in someone's head. A typically stand up individual could go off the deep end. There are rules in place, for government buildings, for a reason. While I disagree with leaving a weapon in a vehicle, a lockbox should have been offered to the deputy... And might have, who knows. We only see silenced video that only shows a portion of what transpired...When on duty, I carry in court all of the time when I am there on official business. When I went to renew my CPL the other day in the same building, I went in completely unarmed. Not so much as a set of fingernail clippers. I wasn't on official business and I don't do personal business on duty.
This may sound out of left field, but you NEVER know what someone's motivations are. You don't know who is dating who or what happened at home last night. You don't know that someone had to move out to get safe and the only place they can be found now is at work. When offering "courtesy", you may inadvertently allow someone to do something really ugly.
Lots of merit to this thinking, you just never know what's in someone's head. A typically stand up individual could go off the deep end. There are rules in place, for government buildings, for a reason. While I disagree with leaving a weapon in a vehicle, a lockbox should have been offered to the deputy... And might have, who knows. We only see silenced video that only shows a portion of what transpired...
There's always another side to the story...