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Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by The Duck, Feb 10, 2010.

  1. The Duck

    The Duck Oregon Active Member

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  2. Trlsmn

    Trlsmn In Utero (Portland) Well-Known Member

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    Maybe it's all the guys that have had their Paypal accounts locked for selling gun parts.............:paranoid:

    I can guarantee you that I could get your Paypal closed with a ten dollar Payment and the words AR15 assault weapon parts in under 2 weeks and your account would be locked up for months. And all this outside of eBay.
     
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    The Duck Oregon Active Member

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  4. Dyjital

    Dyjital Albany, Ore Flavorite Member Bronze Supporter

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    PayPal is from California. We know how California stands on guns, alcohol, tobacco, paint, black cars, immigrant health care, migrant workers, gangs, car emissions, unqualified Governators, so from reasons of deduction.. one would assume that it could possibly be a 'dont ask, don't tell' or do anything painfully obvious regarding payments sent or received.
     
  5. MarkSBG

    MarkSBG Beaverton Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Your actions define who you are and what you stand for. Not your thoughts, beliefs, words, philosophies, or risk analyses.

    Politians everywhere would have you believe their words and not look at their actions.

    The reasoning behind your buisness actions is no where near as important as your actions..
     
  6. Trlsmn

    Trlsmn In Utero (Portland) Well-Known Member

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    :huh:

    So it's not their actual practice of being anti-gun or their anti-gun rules that make them anti-gun but it's what that makes them not anti-gun?
     
  7. MarkSBG

    MarkSBG Beaverton Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Is there any way to tell the difference between a company that is truly anti-gun and one that is not anti-gun, but has anti-gun policies?

    In order to determine that someone/company is anti-gun, do they have to have a written policy stating that they want there to be no more guns?
     
  8. Chee-to

    Chee-to Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Sooooo, these are "pro" gun policies ?.......:wow:

    What types of firearms-related items does PayPal prohibit?

    https://www.paypal.com/helpcenter/m...&countrycode=AU&cmd=_help&serverInstance=9022

    PayPal prohibits all account holders from buying or selling any type of firearm and certain firearm parts and ammunition.

    Firearms – Include all rifles, shotguns, and handguns, whether they are intended for use in sporting, as collectibles, or as curio and relic firearms. These items are prohibited regardless of their present working order.

    Firearm parts – Include, but are not limited to, receivers and frames, silencers, kits designed to convert a firearm to automatic firing capability, high capacity magazines, multi-burst trigger activators, and camouflaging firearm containers.

    Ammunition – Includes ammunition with propellant, such as gunpowder or blank ammunition. Ammunition is defined as ammunition or cartridge cases, primers, bullets or propellant powder designed for any firearm.

    Stun guns – For US residents, PayPal allows transactions for stun guns only if the transaction is permitted by law in both the buyer's and seller's jurisdictions. US sellers must ensure that each transaction is legal in both locations before completing the sale. Transactions for stun guns involving account holders outside the US are prohibited.

    Other Related Items – PayPal allows transactions for paintball guns, blank guns, and air-soft guns as permitted by law in the applicable jurisdiction. These items must display all markings required by law, must not be convertible to shoot a lethal projectile, and must not include blank ammunition.
     
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    BSG 75 Oregon Well-Known Member

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  11. Trlsmn

    Trlsmn In Utero (Portland) Well-Known Member

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    I know my Paypal account was frozen because of their anti-gun policy! ;)

    I can go purchase a Full Auto M16 on my Visa card and my account will not be closed. I can transport that M16 in my car and my car insurance will not be canceled, I can store that M16 in my house and my home insurance will not be canceled.

    Paypal is anti-gun because of what they do period.
     
  12. Redcap

    Redcap Lewis County, WA Well-Known Member

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    That about sums it up.
     
  13. MarkSBG

    MarkSBG Beaverton Oregon Well-Known Member

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    By this definition, the Brady bill was pro gun. The US Government is pro-gun. The California legistlature is pro gun. :huh: All the people who write the anti-gun laws have guns and special rules that allow them anything they want. This does not make them pro-gun. Their actions define them as anti-gun. They have no problem with you selling scopes and lasers, but they don't want you selling an actual gun.

    I want to give you credit for thinking for yourself and not just jumping on some bandwagon, but it appears this position needs to be seriously re-thought.

    People and organizations are defined by their actions.
     
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  15. MarkSBG

    MarkSBG Beaverton Oregon Well-Known Member

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    I DON'T believe that everyone should have a gun. I doubt that anyone believes that. Felons and criminals should not have guns. Neither should illegal immigrants, minors, or the insane.

    Yup. I require a bill of sale on every transaction. It is indeed to protect my own interests. If the gun comes back stolen, the money I was given is counterfeit, or if the gun is found at a crime scene, I will give that information to the police. What could this possibly have to do with my pro-gun stance?

    I sold a car a few years back and I wrote a bill of sale. The same as for the table saw and treadmill that I bought from private parties. That doesn't make me anti-car, anti-tool, or anti-excercise.

    Yeah, I want to protect myself and so does Paypal, but how does that excuse thier anti-gun actions. Taking the simple step of requiring to see id is NOT the same as closing an active account and seizing the funds because a transaction was gun related.

    Be honest, if your bank found out that you wrote a check for a gun part and closed your account, you would consider their actions to be anti-gun and unreasonable. A reasonable person would NOT conclude that the bank was just protecting their own interests.
     
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    Gunner3456 Salem Well-Known Member

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    Let's keep this straight. Ebay owns PayPal. Both are extremely anti-gun and their leaders are extremely liberal. Typical California.

    Ebay allows certain gun related items because they are also money hungry. Ebay has an adults only section and allows p0rn. They can make whatever choices they choose.

    I use PayPal regularly for guns and ammo and powder - you name it. I just have to know who I'm dealing with and that nothing and nobody will mention what the actual item is. You just check the "other" box.

    There is a risk that the other party will do something stupid.
     
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    I have operated that way as well Gunner. And I utilize my paypal account frequently for lots of online purchases. I have heard lots of stories of accounts being closed. I signed up for Gunpal. This prevents me from putting my paypal account in jeopardy.
    I was impressed with how easy and little information was needed to register a gunpal account. I now use it for all firearm related purchases.
     
  18. eldbillbo

    eldbillbo clackamas New world samurai and a redneck none the less Bronze Supporter

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    they froze my account because some bone head who was buying a upper who actully knew better typed these words " Colt Ar15 upper from ar15.com"

    it was those words that got my account froze


    they said using buying gun parts are against their policy

    i have not gone back
     
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    raftman Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    To be fair, eBay has always had a "no guns" policy, even with an apparently staunch registered Republican as CEO from the early days all the way until 2008. Not able to find any info on the political affiliations of the current boss. Ebay is not a gun-friendly business, but "they're owned by hardcore leftists" isn't the reason.
     
  20. roguebowhunter

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    PLEASE don't lump all from calif into one classification .. look @ the blue / red map next time theres an election .. most of CA is republican .. its the large populated areas that votes the wrong way .. kinda like oregon ..