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Definition: FUDD

Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by Stomper, Dec 23, 2012.

  1. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    I found this amusing, so I thought I'd post it in light of some of the 2A "supporters" that have started showing up around here.... Hmmmm?

    PS-
    The point of this post is NOT to alienate those who may have some of the leanings listed below. My goal is to perhaps nudge those who do think in these terms (to whatever degree) into a bit broader perspective. Part of this posting is because of my sense of humor, part of it is because "willfull idiots" and other people who are CLEARLY anti-gun coming on here claiming to believe in the 2A then spout the Brady/Bloomberg talking points piss me off.

    I have no problem doling out a "verbal slap" upside the head. In any event, humor or "verbal slap" notwithstanding, my goal is to nudge those with the eyes to see and the ears to hear to perceive this issue (and themselves) in a bigger picture... However, I apologize for nothing.

    That is all, carry on.



    1. -Fudd
    Slang term for a "casual" gun owner; eg; a person who typically only owns guns for hunting or shotgun sports and does not truly believe in the true premise of the second amendment. These people also generally treat owners/users of so called "non sporting" firearms like handguns or semiautomatic rifles with unwarranted scorn or contempt.

    Example of ignorant comment from a fudd at a local gun shop. -"See sonny, all those pistols in that cabinet... all those are good for is killin people."

    2. -FUDD
    The slang term for gun owners of what could be called limited tastes. They are thought of as being casual gun owners and not true supporters of the Second Amendment. These are the guys that Diane Feinstein is talking about when she talks about acceptable gun ownership.

    Two characteristics normally identify a FUDD.

    #1: Very limited range of shooting interests. A FUDD could have just 1 gun, or more than 153 guns, but all those guns fall within a very limited range of interests. The interest that defines a FUDD is "sporting purposes". All their 12 ga wood and blued steel shotguns, bolt action rifles, 44 magnum revolvers, and 9mm pistols only have one purpose: sport. These guns are either for hunting, or they are for marksmanship and trap competitions. Nothing they have is supposed to take the role of a dedicated defense gun, or a daily carry gun. They wouldn't be caught dead with anything black polymer, tactical, or concealable. If you ask them why they own guns, the typical answer is for hunting or for sport. If you ask them about personal defense, expect either half-assed answer about a shotgun loaded with birdshot, or just calling the Police.

    #2: Provincialism in applying the Second Amendment. By the estimation of a FUDD, the Second Amendment exists to let him hunt deer, shoot quail, play trap, and punch targets. They will likely talk about how nobody needs an "assault weapon" or anything like that. FUDD type sentiment is what brought about the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban, as well as many other ultimately pointless laws. The FUDD does not care so long as they can keep their M1903a3 Springfield and their custom Beretta double-barreled shotgun. They are willing to sacrifice other sections of the gun community to save themselves.

    Here's a fictional FUDD:

    Name: Ed Mulder
    Age: 53
    Employment: Auto Mechanic
    Guns: 3; 1 Mauser 98 sporter, 1 Remmington 870 shotgun, and 1 Ruger 10/22.
    Why he owns guns: He likes the sport.
    Reaction when offered an AR-15: Grimmace.
    Stance on Second Amendment: Giving citizens the right to have guns, but allowing for certain types of dangerous guns, like handguns and semiautomatic rifles, to be regulated. All he cares is that he still gets to hunt and do shooting sports.
     
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  2. Mikej

    Mikej Portland Gold Supporter Gold Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    I was readin' and thinkin' you were describing me kind of. I am working my way into carrying all the time, practicing drills at the range. You said though, punching paper could of made me a FUDD, so THAT worried me. My neighbor kid brought over an AR15 he been working on, said he had about $1900.00 into it. He handed it to me and I put the stock up to my cheek and looked through the red-dot sight.
    NO GRIMACE! PHEW!!

    I would loved to have shot it, my OTHER neighbors would not have cared much for it I'm thinkin'. 'Spose that makes THEM FUDDs?

    Mike
     
  3. trainsktg

    trainsktg Portland OR Well-Known Member

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    I think you may be missing the point. Its not about your only interests being clay shooting, pheasant hunting or paper punching that makes you a FUDD, its believing that the only LEGITIMATE reason to own guns are clays, birds or targets. All I do is paper punch, but I am certainly no FUDD.

    Keith
     
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  4. Jamie6.5

    Jamie6.5 Western OR Well-Known Member

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    Before the current nightmare is over, we are going to need those gun-hunters to stand with us against the gun-grabbers.
    When they came for the ARs, I didn't own an AR so I didn't speak up,....
    I would prefer to try to convince them that standing with "AR/AK/Semi-auto pistol" owners is in their best interest.

    Rather than alienate them with name calling and cartoonish ridicule.
    YMMV.

    Yes, I know we will never convince all of them.
    But in the current political climate, we need every pro-gun voice we can find singing in unison.

    No offense Stomper, but I for one would appreciate it if the mods nuked this one into cyberspace.
     
  5. joken

    joken Corvallis Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Sorta ,kinda true. The problem is the philosophical divide and the fact that gun owners need to get on the same page or we will all get screwed eventually. Like the idiot that says he doesn't care about gun bans because all he shoots id a SG. Many young guy these days go to the range to see how much ammo they can burn rather than how accurate their weapon is. This pisses some grumpy old men off and so it begins. I like it when people shoot like that because I get more brass. In the end, try to respect other shooters and engage them to find common ground. The Fudd you mention probably doesn't have any more use for your weapons than you do for his, so who wins. We know the answer and it ain't a good one.
     
  6. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    I hear what you're saying, but "censorship" tactics will make us no better than the anti-schlubs we're dealing with. In light of what you said, I added some clarification as to the purpose of my post. If people now choose to be offended and alienated, hey... That's their choice.
     
  7. good2eat

    good2eat Great NW Member

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    Have to disagree with you Jamie. Being silent and keeping to ourselves is, in large part, responsible for the current stat of so many things - including guns. By "minding our own business" and not standing up, we have allowed the other side to completely control the debate leading to continuous creep away from traditional America and gradual erosion of our rights and society.

    It is long past time we fully engage publicly. The interesting thing about the OP's post is it makes everyone who reads it think about themselves. The idea it could nudge the FUDDS is realistic, imho.
     
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  8. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    Hey Mike,

    "Only punching paper makes you a Fudd" is not at all what I said. If you only care about punching paper, and believe that (or sporting, hunting, etc) is the only purpose to the 2A then you might be a Fudd. (insert Jeff Foxworthy voice... LOL)

    Anyone who practices punches paper, because using human targets for practice would be wrong... LOL!

    It's not about what you have (or how much), or what you're into, Mike. It's about your attitude and perception of the 2A and it's meaning, and also your willingness to let some elitist politician dictate your rights.

    That's it, plain and simple. It the foo shi... er, I mean if the shoe fits wear it. If it doesn't fit, don't go looking for a shoehorn to force your flippers into it. ;)

    Peace!
     
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  9. Slowpoke

    Slowpoke Beaverton Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Not a FUDD! :thumbup: :gun01:
     
  10. revjen45

    revjen45 Snohomish County Well-Known Member

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    I have a 4WD V-10 F-250 for haulin' stuff, a '98 Dodge Stratus for getting somewhere, and a '79 Ironhead with Stage 2 S&S motor for fun. Same thing with guns: some are for serious social work should I or my family be threatened by malignant Uentermenschen, some would be for hunting when I can indulge that desire, and some are just to cuddle and enjoy. I take 2A very seriously, and it ain't about Sporting Purposes.

    Yup, I punch paper because sane people don't shoot other people other than in the gravest extreme of peril (nice turn of phrase - where did I hear it?) and I avoid situations in which that is likely to occur. "An armed society is a polite society" is a truism. I am polite to everybody because
    1) that is how civilized people act and
    2) I don't wish to cause an incident which would require deadly force. If some clown wants to be rude to me I can live with that a lot easier than the aftermath of a DGU no matter how justified it turns out to be.
     
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  11. Mutoman

    Mutoman North Bend Active Member

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    I think the post should have been more about, "I'm frustrated because I want more people who own firearms to join my cause to support our second amendment rights." That makes sense, I do too. I know a few FUDDs, if you want to call them that. They actually do support our cause to a point by owning and purchasing firearms, even if it is just to punch paper. The number of FUDDs accompanying the number of second amendment advocates shows politicians our potential voting power. I'd rather have them counted with us than not.
     
  12. Jamie6.5

    Jamie6.5 Western OR Well-Known Member

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    Who said anything about keeping silent?
    All I said was I didn't agree with insulting them.
    And the original post did just that.
    Stomper must have agreed, or he wouldn't have altered/added to the original post.
    Which you may not have seen.

    In any even, thanks to Stomper. :thumbup:
     
  13. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    Hey, I'm not just a knuckle-draggin' caveman. In addittion to that I'm actually a sophisticated man with an equally sophisticated, eclectic sense o' humor that ranges from sarcasm-irreverent-to plain goofy. Although I'll verbally "slap the taste" from someone's mouth if they have it coming (as I see it) on any given subject, it's always motivated by trying to get the "other person" to THINK. The old Drill Sgt. in me just won't die, I suppose. ;)

    Sometimes my humor is mixed with my "anger" (not madness... yes, there IS a difference between the two) and it's a good thing to get the perspective inputs from others, hence I positively responded (not caved-in to) and adjusted a bit by making plain my motivations... because Jamie was right.

    IMHO this is how we as CITIZENS should interact, it only makes us better, smarter, and stronger. :thumbup:
     
  14. pdx lefty

    pdx lefty portland Active Member

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    I'm pretty open with my views on the 2A and firearms in general with friends and co-workers. And one of my biggest peeves is when I'm asked why someone needs a 30 round "clip" to go hunting. I usually reply with, the second amendment has nothing to do with hunting. It doesn't say ", the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, (so they can go hunting, target shooting or other sporting activities) shall not be infringed." It says, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a FREE STATE, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Short and to the point. With this freedom comes choices, if you chose to be a subject that's your business but don't interfere with my choice to be a free man.

    I agree we need a united front but it seems like for every step forward we take 2 steps back when some homicidal coward does stupid stuff. I see a long road ahead for us.

    Lefty.
     
  15. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    If the justice system was doing it's job instead of being tripped up in "PC" frivolities, it would be a "long road" for perpetrators instead of it being one for free citizens.
     
  16. Jamie6.5

    Jamie6.5 Western OR Well-Known Member

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    There's a helluva lot more honesty and truth in that statement than most I have read on the internet concerning the upcoming fiasco!

    Clarity,...
    What a concept!
     
  17. Mikej

    Mikej Portland Gold Supporter Gold Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    I was trying to be funny.......I knew what you were getting at. Maybe I'm dense, what does FUDD stand for?

    I have an issue with some of the attitudes of us pro 2nd people and the way they sound to non/anti-gun owners. It's painfully obvious, on a daily basis, why people would asign the term "Gun Nuts" to us.
    Refering to fellow Americans over and over as "The Enemy" is a bad thing, IMO.

    Mike
     
  18. Sgt Nambu

    Sgt Nambu Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    I think that the OP's thread was mild enough and is thought provoking. I also believe that we will never reach any "FUDD" who would be offended by it. A number of these one dimentinal gun owners hate black rifles for polluting their sport and bringing the wrath of the anti's down upon them. We also will never reach them but Stomper's gental teasing could get our brethren who are on the border to consider our point of view. I considered it closer to honey than vinegar!

    I'm still trying to wrap my head around sophisticated and eclectic in Woodburn!
     
  19. Jamie6.5

    Jamie6.5 Western OR Well-Known Member

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    "Fudd" as in Elmer Fudd of Bugs Bunny fame. In/of the caricature, hunting is his/her only reason for owning a firearm.