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Dear Spirit Mountain Casino...I Won't Patronize You

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by raindog, Dec 27, 2012.

  1. raindog

    raindog Portland, OR Active Member

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    Wrote a letter to Spirit Mountain Casino (aka Confederated Tribes) pointing out that since they gave money to Ginny Burdick who is now poised to introduce new gun ban legislation, I will no longer patronize their establishment.

    Next up: Nike, who gave money to Blumenauer. There are plenty of other shoe choices.
     
  2. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    I always get back at Spirit Mountain by CCWing there. I was within spittin' distance of Chris Isaak, and armed to the teeth. He was as safe as Obama's daughters in their armed guarded private school. ;)
     
  3. Bill Siegle

    Bill Siegle Oregon Active Member

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    Careful there! You are in a world of crap if you get caught packing illegally on the reservation. It's my understanding that it is an instant federal crime. Keep it hid unless you have absolutely no other option.
     
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  4. FatherHolyHoly

    FatherHolyHoly MN Active Member

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    Yeah. Punishable by scalping.
     
  5. nwdrifter

    nwdrifter troutdale oregon Active Member

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    another reason to not go there and donate to there anti american campain
     
  6. deen_ad

    deen_ad Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    Each tribe has it's own laws when on reservation land and the casino is just that. Not sure Federal Laws gun laws apply to tribal lands either
     
  7. joeroket

    joeroket Everett,Wa. Active Member

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    Don't forget that unless state law dictates it, which I know of none that do, tribal laws are not applicable to a non-tribal member. The only thing a tribe can do is to trespass you from their land if you are caught violating one of their "laws", which are really rules for non-tribal members.
     
  8. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    What?! You mean I shouldn't flash my CCW?! I DID NOT know that, LOL! It's not a Federal crime, because it isn't a Federal property/bldg.

    They don't have any kind of signs stating otherwise, I looked. Kick me out, I don't care. The only thing worth going there for is the Cedar Plank buffet... I eat $60 worth of shrimp/crab for $18 (and change) every time I go there. ;)
     
  9. Bill Siegle

    Bill Siegle Oregon Active Member

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    I found this site the has a handy dandy, easy to read display of who you would deal with if you get caught. General Rules Criminal Jurisdiction in Indian Country While you would hope for some kindly discretion if noticed, I don't think you'd be looking at something as light as "We'd like you to leave the premises" as you would for say carrying at a mall with a sign. Do what feels good for you. Just trying to keep you outta the news :)
     
  10. Burt Gummer

    Burt Gummer Portland Completely Out of Ammo

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    I think I'd pass on carrying there myself. Kind of like carrying in Mexico.

    Their land, their rules.
     
  11. WhyteCheddar

    WhyteCheddar East of Moscow by the Willamette Well-Known Member

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    Have crossed Warm Springs nearly my whole life with hunting arms in the vehicle as well as side arms loaded and locked up with ammo in a non adjacent location in the vehicle just in case.
    Not even sure that is ok per tribal rules. The way I read them is that you need permission from the police chief in order to transport across.
    I havent researched lately but I recall having a tough time getting a clear ideal on what you can/can't do.
     
  12. longcolt

    longcolt Zephyrhills, FL Active Member

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    I am not the expert, but have read that if you are on state or federal highways you are not at risk transporting your weapons through reservations. But don't stop for gas or anything else or you might have a problem.
     
  13. billcoe

    billcoe PDX Platinum Supporter Platinum Supporter

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    Raindog, do you have a list of Burdick financial backers? I'm with you and firing off a letter to Spirit Mountain right now. Do you have a direct email address? The contact us page make you fill out a form first. Contact Us | Spirit Mountain Casino in Oregon

    EDIT/Update - Sent this via contact form:

    Hell of an idea dog. I feel better already:) Blumenhauer sent out a gun control survey @ 6 months back, he's heard from me multiple times on this. Time for Nike to get a letter now. Thanks for the great idea!
     
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    hawmanai SW OR Member

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    The Tribes send Officers to Federal training to have jurisdiction to arrest and charge Non-Members. Summons will be to the nearest Federal Courthouse where the Judge does not like to see these cases and usually gives out hefty fines.

    Remember that Reservations were originally set up as prisons and you don't have all your Rights in the Constition there.

    So I'd recommend you take breaking the Law on the Reservations more seriously.
     
  15. raindog

    raindog Portland, OR Active Member

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    Start here:

    Ginny Burdick - Ballotpedia

    At the bottom are links to followthemoney.org for each year.
     
  16. WhyteCheddar

    WhyteCheddar East of Moscow by the Willamette Well-Known Member

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    I don't even like breaking the speed limit through there.
     
  17. WhyteCheddar

    WhyteCheddar East of Moscow by the Willamette Well-Known Member

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    I think I do recall reading that now. I never stop there. However I have camped at the resort in the past but the pea shooters stayed home for that.
     
  18. 8ball

    8ball WA Quit talkin' and start chalking!

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    Anyone boycotting doctors, banks, phones, realtors, soda, cable and electricity as well? :laugh:

    OREGON SOFT DRINK ASSOCIATION $4,000 5.39% General Business See Records
    DOCTORS FOR HEALTHY COMMUNITIES $4,000 5.39% Health See Records
    CONFEDERATED TRIBES OF THE GRAND RONDE $3,500 4.72% Government Agencies/Education/Other See Records
    OREGON BANKERS ASSOCIATION $3,500 4.72% Finance, Insurance & Real Estate See Records
    INTERNATIONAL BROTHERHOOD OF ELECTRICAL WORKERS $3,000 4.04% Labor See Records
    DOUGLAS COUNTY PHYSICIANS $2,500 3.37% Health See Records
    PORTLAND GENERAL ELECTRIC $2,500 3.37% Energy & Natural Resources See Records
    OREGON MEDICAL ASSOCIATION $2,000 2.70% Health See Records
    AT&T $2,000 2.70% Communications & Electronics See Records
    OREGON ASSOCIATION OF REALTORS $2,000 2.70% Finance, Insurance & Real Estate See Records
    OREGON LODGING ASSOCIATION $2,000 2.70% General Business See Records
    OREGON SOCIETY OF CPAS $2,000 2.70% Finance, Insurance & Real Estate See Records
    OREGON COUNCIL OF NATIONAL ELECTRICAL CONTRACTORS ASSOCIATION $2,000 2.70% Construction See Records
    IRONWORKERS DISTRICT COUNCIL OF THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST $2,000 2.70% Labor See Records
    REGENCE BLUECROSS BLUESHIELD OF OREGON $2,000 2.70% Finance, Insurance & Real Estate See Records
    COALITION FOR A HEALTHY OREGON $2,000 2.70% Ideology/Single Issue See Records
    COMCAST $1,750 2.36% Communications & Electronics See Records
    GARD COMMUNICATIONS $1,694 2.28% Uncoded See Records
    WELLS FARGO $1,500 2.02% Finance, Insurance & Real Estate See Records
    OREGON EDUCATION ASSOCIATION $1,500 2.02% Labor See Records
     
  19. joeroket

    joeroket Everett,Wa. Active Member

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    If that is true in Or. then someone needs to get slapped. In Wa. tribal officers are state commissioned only if they meet the minimum requirements and an application for commissioning is sent in to the county sheriff. Even then they can only arrest a non-tribal member for a violation of state or county law and you end up in county jail.
     
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    treeman97123 United States New Member

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    Burns Paiute Tribe of the Burns Paiute Indian Colony of Oregon
    3.1.110 Carrying or Displaying a Weapon
    Any person who shall (1) carry concealed on his person, or (2) carry, exhibit, display or draw any pistol, firearm, dagger, sword, knife, or
    other cutting or stabbing instrument, club, or any other weapon, apparently capable of producing bodily harm in a manner, under
    circumstance, and at any time in tribal or BIA buildings on the Reservation, that either manifests in intent to intimidate other or that
    warrants alarm for the safety of other persons shall be guilty of carrying or displaying a weapon. The provision of this section shall not
    apply to any person who by virtue of his office or public employment is vested by law with a duty to preserve public safety, maintain
    public order, or to make arrests for offenses, while in the performance of such duty or to any person engaged in military activities
    sponsored by Federal or state governments. Carrying or Displaying a Weapon is a Class A offense.
    3.1.111 Carrying of Concealed Weapon
    Any person who carries concealed upon the person any gun (unless person has state issued concealed weapon permit) or knife having a
    blade that projects or swings into position by force of a spring or by centrifugal force, any dirk, dagger, ice pick, metal knuckles, or any
    similar instrument by the use of which injury could be inflicted upon the person or property of any other person is guilty of Carrying A
    Concealed Weapon. Weapons lawfully seized under this section may be forfeited to the Tribe pursuant to Tribal Civil forfeiture
    procedures.
    Carrying a Concealed Weapon is a Class B offense.

    Confederated Tribes of The Coos, Lower Umpqua and Siuslaw Indians Tribal Code
    3-3-45 Possession or Discharge of a Firearm or Dangerous Weapon
    (a) A person commits the violation of discharging a firearm if the person, other than law enforcement officers acting within the scope of
    their employment, discharges a firearm on tribal lands.
    (b) A person commits the violation of possession of a weapon if the person, other than police officers acting within the scope of their
    employment or weapons properly stored within the private areas of a home in tribal housing, possesses a weapon on tribal lands.
    (c) Possession of a weapon or discharge of a firearm on tribal lands, shall not be a violation if it is done by a tribal member or guest as
    part of a tribe sponsored cultural activity, or legal hunting or target shooting in an area in which hunting or shooting is permitted.
    (d) Violation of this section is a Class E Violation.
    Fort McDermitt Paiute and Shoshone Tribes of the Fort McDermitt Indian Reservation,
    Nevada and Oregon
    Section 67. Carrying concealed weapon.
    It is unlawful for any person to go about in public or private places, tribal buildings, schools, and health or wellness centers armed with a
    dangerous weapon, concealed upon his person, unless he shall have a permit from the Tribal Council to carry the same in his possession,
    is guilty of a Class C offense.
    Confederated Tribes of the Siletz Indians
    § 12.119 Unlawful Possession Of Firearms: Class B
    (a) Knowingly possessing any machine gun not registered as required under federal law; or
    (b) Knowingly carrying any firearm concealed upon the person, without having a license to carry a concealed firearm; or
    (c) Knowingly carrying concealed and readily accessible about the person within any vehicle which is under the person’s control
    or direction any firearm capable of being concealed upon the person, without having a license to carry such firearm.
    Note: It doesn’t say who must issue the license. State or Tribe?28
    Handgunlaw.us

    Confederated Tribes of the Umatilla Reservation
    Park XV Section 4.156.Concealed Weapons
    A. It shall be unlawful for any person to carry a concealed dangerous weapon upon his person without also having in his
    possession a permit signed by a Judge of the Umatilla Tribal Court, the Chief of the Umatilla Tribal Police Department, and
    countersigned by the Superintendent of the Umatilla Agency.
    B. Upon conviction, any weapons so carried shall be confiscated by order to the Umatilla Tribal Court.
    C. This section does not apply to persons in their place of residence or business or to duly appointed law enforcement officers.
    Section 4.157. Concealed Weapon Permits
    A. The Judges of the Umatilla Tribal Court and the Chief of the Umatilla Tribal Police Department shall not issue a permit or
    carry a concealed weapon unless the applicant has demonstrated to their satisfaction:
    1. Good cause exists for the issuance thereof;
    2. The applicant is of good moral character.
    B. Any applications under this section shall be in writing signed by the applicant and shall state his name, occupation, residence,
    business address, date of birth, height, weight, color of eyes and hair and reason for requesting a permit. In addition, it shall
    contain a description of the weapon to be carried, name of manufacturer, serial number, caliber and barrel length thereof.
    C. There shall be collected by the Chief of the Umatilla Police Department a fee of $20.00 for each permit issued.
    D. Any permit issued under this section shall be valid for a period of one year from the date of issuance.
    E. Any permit issued under this section shall be valid only within the exterior boundaries of the Umatilla Indian Reservation.
    F. No tribal official engaged in the receipt and review of any application for or in the issuing of denial of any license under this
    section shall incur any civil or criminal liability as the result of the lawful performance of his duties under this section.
    Confederated Tribes of the Warm Springs Reservation
    305.412 Carrying Concealed Weapons
    (1) For purposes of this section, a dangerous weapon shall be any revolver, pistol or other firearm, whether loaded or unloaded, any knife,
    other than an ordinary pocket knife, or any dirk, dagger, sling shot, metal knuckles, explosive or incendiary devices, or any instrument
    by the use of which injury could be inflicted upon the person or property of any other person.
    (2) Any Indian who shall go about in public places armed with a dangerous weapon concealed upon his person or concealed within his
    vehicle unless he shall have a permit signed by a Judge of the Tribal Court and countersigned by the Superintendent of the Reservation,
    shall be deemed guilty of carrying a concealed weapon.
    305.415 Carrying Weapons, When Prohibited.
    (1) Notwithstanding the provisions of WSTC 305.412 any Indian other than a duly authorized law enforcement officer who carries any
    dangerous weapon as defined in WSTC 305.412(1), whether concealed or openly, in any public building, office, store, school or at any
    public gathering shall be deemed guilty of unlawfully carrying a weapon.
    (2) Any Indian who carries or possesses a firearm while under the influence of intoxicants shall be deemed guilty of unlawfully carrying
    or possessing a firearm.