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Crosshair AR RECOIL BUFFER, fact or fiction?

Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by civilian75, Jul 2, 2014.

  1. civilian75

    civilian75 Hillsboro, OR Well-Known Member

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    Has anyone had any experience with this hydraulic recoil buffer? Is it for real or a spendy gimmick?

    I have a 20" bbl varmint upper to hunt tiny sage rats, but recoil is still to hard and I lose the sight picture in all but the lowest zoom settings. Seeing the rat go up "in smoke" is 95% of the fun! How much will this AR recoil buffer help me maintain the sight picture?
     
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  2. misplacedtexan

    misplacedtexan Beaverton, OR Active Member

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    They do help, but ymmv and I don't think the cost justifies the reduction
     
  3. John H

    John H Whatcom County Well-Known Member

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    I am assuming rifle gas system??

    Maybe you just need more trigger time, recoil should be minor on a rifle system .
     
  4. Capn Jack

    Capn Jack Wet-Stern Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    I went through 3 scopes on my .458 SoCom Carbine before I installed one.:eek:
    So far, the latest scope is holding up and the recoil is more of a push.:)

    Jack...:cool:
     
  5. Doc In UPlace

    Doc In UPlace Tacoma-ish Well-Known Member

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    The answer to keeping your sight picture on a 5.56 rifle may have more to do with stance and grip than buffer if you're shooting unsupported, standing.

    Having the right muscles tight and a slightly forward-leaning stance with the stock held firmly into your shoulder could do a lot in achieving your objective.

    I use a JP Enterprises captured buffer spring because the boing--oing---oing--fleh of the OEM buffer spring during cycling sounded like Mattel toy gun. The JP is quiet and has been a nice upgrade, but as far as recoil goes, Newton's 3rd law shall remain in force.
     
  6. civilian75

    civilian75 Hillsboro, OR Well-Known Member

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    Doc, thanks for the input, but, no, I am not shooting off hand. Sage rat varminting is done from a bench rest.

    This is not a capture spring/buffer, which is aimed at reducing creaking noise when shooting suppressed. I own a suppressed 300 AAC balackout SBR and have not used it. I applied generous amounts of grease to the buffer/spring assembly and took care of most of it, and saved me $100+.

    And about your newton reference, classical mechanics, also deals with how kinetic energy can be dissipated by friction, which is what this buffer claims to use.
     
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  7. civilian75

    civilian75 Hillsboro, OR Well-Known Member

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    Cappy, et al, please, let's focus on the question. I wish someone how has used this or a similar product could chime in...
     
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  8. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    Fill the buttstock with $10 of lead shot.
     
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  9. civilian75

    civilian75 Hillsboro, OR Well-Known Member

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    LOL! now, that was useful
     
  10. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    That's heavy, man! lol
     
  11. The Heretic

    The Heretic Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Is it "hydraulic" in that it uses oil?

    Then it is more like a shock absorber than a spring and in general, probably superior to a coil spring in that coil springs "bounce" as already mentioned. Hydraulic or even gas "springs" do use friction and are smoother in that they generally do not bounce, do not wear out as fast, can remain compressed unlike a coil spring.

    Whether it is worth the money or gets you what you want, can only be determined by you - but there is a reason that automobiles generally use shock absorbers in addition to springs.
     
  12. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    I have no problem seeing them fly when using 12 ga slugs or whatnot.
     
  13. Flopsweat

    Flopsweat Slightly right of center Well-Known Member

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    Is it a .223? If so, the suggestion to weight the stock will probably do the trick.
     
  14. OFADAN

    OFADAN Brownsville, OR Well-Known Member

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    civilian75 I'm going to answer this two fold: first I do not have that particular brand hydraulic buffer but I do have a brand x. They work great in that there is no buffer spring noise in the buttstock like traditional spring and they do help mitigate recoil. They are expensive and they do wear out. I haven't replaced mine yet but a buddy has and he wasn't happy about the price tag...nor will I when it is my turn. I'm not 100% certain this will solve your entire issue or concern.

    I shoot both an AR10 .308 medium to long range and an SPR 5.56 for short to mid range. Both use Scopes. I do not have a hydraulic buffer in either system and never have an issue with follow up shots or loosing my sight picture. I can stay locked down on the reticle. Now one of the key things (and you're probably already doing this so forgive me if I'm insulting your competence) is to make sure you are "anchoring and loading" your bipod. Once this is done then there is almost zero muzzle rise or muzzle flip which is so common when shooting prone and a bipod. Yes the recoil is still there but it is just going directly back rather than up and out.

    Dan
     
  15. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    Hip shoot while looking through a $5000 spotting scope or utoobe close up gore for a couple days before offing day. no charge
     
  16. Lindy

    Lindy Central Ca. Member

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    I dont know if the device will help or not, But I see the strike of the bullet everytime, Even when my scope is set to 24 power. My Rat gun 22-250 weighs 22 pounds. Get Yourself some lead in the Buttstock.
     
  17. clearconscience

    clearconscience Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    Do you have a full length rifle tube?
    I know you have get heavier buffer for a carbine, not sure about the rifle.
    I've always heard these work well, but no where near what they should for the price.
    I would try a new spring and a heavier buffer if possible
     
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    clearconscience Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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  19. usagi

    usagi Redmond Well-Known Member

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    a brake or suppressor will be far more effective in reducing muzzle jump.
     
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  20. Flopsweat

    Flopsweat Slightly right of center Well-Known Member

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    Looks great, but bear in mind it's for a fixed stock.
    If I had one of those stocks I'd consider it.