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COUNTER ATTACK: Gun group coalition to fight initiative...

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by Dave Workman, Jun 19, 2013.

  1. Dave Workman

    Dave Workman Western Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    A couple of you guys spotted the cornerstone of this a few days ago. Smart guys on NWFIREARMS...
    :thumbup:


    Washington groups launch fight against gun control initiative

    A coalition of some of the state’s firearms community leaders has launched a grassroots campaign to counter the well-financed gun control initiative backed by a Seattle-based gun control group, while also preventing firearms confiscation “by any government agency…without due process.”

    Washington groups launch fight against gun control initiative - Seattle gun rights | Examiner.com
     
  2. duane black

    duane black Washington Well-Known Member

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    Hell yeah. How can we help ?
     
  3. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    We are gonna win this one and I'm all in. Keep us posted
     
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    dmv9 Seattle, WA Member

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    All in
     
  5. Dave Workman

    Dave Workman Western Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Blitz, Duane, dmv:

    Contact the CCRKBA office for copies of the petition so you can gather signatures. By far that is the most important thing you could do. They have to be valid signatures from registered voters.
    The Protect Our Gun Rights group is in the process of setting up a website. I presume that will be up and running sometime within the next few days.

    WATCH MY EXAMINER COLUMN FOR UPDATES to be posted as PART OF THIS THREAD. When I know something, you will know it too.

    Duane, since you're down in the Southwest, tell all your gun pals, gun shop operators, anybody who will listen, about this and feel free to forward my screed to all of them so they understand what's up.



    visit Washington Arms Collectors | Washingtons Largest Firearms & Gun Safety Organization and read Pres. John Rodabaugh's open letter to members.

    And, if anybody has a spare $20 bill to toss into the kitty, I expect the POGR group would put that to good use.
     
  6. mancat

    mancat Kitsap County Well-Known Member

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    I do not have time or plans to attend the WAC shows.

    Where else can I directly or indirectly sign to get this initiative moving forward?
     
  7. Dave Workman

    Dave Workman Western Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    As noted in my column (which you can forward to one and all) petitions will be available from CCRKBA at

    12500 N.E. Tenth Place
    Bellevue, WA 98005

    the POGR website should be up in a day or two...they're working on this now...and if you shoot me a PM with your mailing address, I can give that to the people who are doing all of this stuff and they'll mail you some petitions.
     
  8. James 61

    James 61 Clark Co Washington Member

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    I would love to sign this petition. I got a summer job that requires my presence 24/6 and will require that I am gone from home and out of touch for much of the summer. On my rare day off I will keep an eye out for a place to sign the petition but i would rather figure out a way to sign it now then hope I get lucky during the summer.

    I will check in from time to time and maybe someone will post where they are going to be booths setup to collect signatures so I can make sure I sign.

    Keep up the good work Dave.
     
  9. GunnyG

    GunnyG The Highlands Active Member

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    Good Job Dave!

    BTW! this load of butt-hurt just arrived in my email:

     
  10. duane black

    duane black Washington Well-Known Member

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    Consider it done Dave. How do we donate ?
     
  11. Dave Workman

    Dave Workman Western Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    This is a crock, and whoever this Zach is knows it or he is dumber than a post.

    First and foremost, the NRA has not weighed in on this at all. Period. Zip, Zero, Nada.

    Item No. 2: Who the heck said this would prevent background checks? That's a lie. I-591 — that the NRA didn't write, hasn't endorsed yet or even sent an alert to members about, so they're getting a bum rap on this — says this: "It is unlawful for any government agency to require background checks on the recipient of a firearm unless a uniform national standard is required.”

    That makes it perfectly clear nobody is opposing background checks, we're just saying they need to have a uniform national standard, which the gun control initiative does not, and they know this, too.

    Please advise me off list who this guy is, because he takes the peanut gallery approach of attacking the NRA, and so far, they've got nothing to do with this effort.

    TO WHICH I MIGHT ADD: We have background checks. The NICS system got the nod from the NRA 20 years ago. I know because I was on the NRA Board of Directors at the time. It's not NRA's fault the NICS system needs a fix.
    The gun prohibition lobby claims the NICS system has stopped a couple of million bad guys from getting guns, which we all know is a lie because they got 'em somewhere else, but the bottom line is we have a NICS background check, that NRA supported 20 years ago.

    But these people want to expand background checks and keep records. Even Alan Gottlieb's proposal in Olympia earlier this year said NO RECORD KEEPING and even sought to abolish the state pistol registry. THOSE conditions brought a screech from the anti-gunners. Now we have an initiative that simply says background checks must meet a uniform national standard. They need to be the same in Seattle as they are in Cincinnati. The proposal in that 15-page measure does not concur with the NICS requirements now, and they know it.

    Gunny, many thanks!
     
  12. Dave Workman

    Dave Workman Western Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Contributions can be sent to:

    Protect Our Gun Rights
    12500 N.E. Tenth Place
    Bellevue, WA 98005
     
  13. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    Does anyone have a list of rules for initiative gatherers? Rules for setting up and what are the pro gun businesses we can work with? I will get together a team for the Lacey's Cabelas
     
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  14. Dave Workman

    Dave Workman Western Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Frequently Asked Questions about Circulating Initiative and Referendum Petitions


    I will add this. Anyone gathering signatures should at all times be polite. Do not get in anyone's face, do not pursue anyone who does not agree to sign, do not engage in debates with someone who disagrees with what is in the very simple initiative. You're just there to gather signatures, answer simple questions and give people the opportunity to read the initiative..

    In other words...DON'T give me an incident to write about, please.

    Anyone who badgers you and tries to interfere with your signature gathering is in trouble. (Likewise, while it might be tempting, don't badger the paid signature gatherers the other side will be paying for if you run across them. They're being paid to do a job. They may not really give a rat's butt what the petition is all about.

    The guys running this thing know how to debate. That's their job. The job of a signature gatherer is to win the war. :thumbup:
     
  15. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    Excellent advice Dave. Done this before, including the Cali State fair for CCRKBAs back in 1989. Have pics to prove it

    For the gentle reader, you will never regret standing up and doing this, it will be a thing to regale your grandchildren with. If you are in the area please PM me
     
  16. GunnyG

    GunnyG The Highlands Active Member

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    Yeah, he knows what he's saying, and is playing to the intended audience.



    I'm pretty sure that this falls into Alinky's Rule #13: “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Besides, the NRA is the bogeyman that the left scares their chldren with, at bed time.

    Done, via PM.
     
  17. duane black

    duane black Washington Well-Known Member

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    Awesome. I will get a check out pay day, closest I will get to ever saying FU to nanny bloomberg.
     
  18. 44mag2ndamend

    44mag2ndamend Round the ole tree stump, Down by the crick Well-Known Member

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    All in.
     
  19. BSG 75

    BSG 75 Oregon Well-Known Member

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    That statement is incorrect. California SB 53 passed the Senate but it hasn't passed in the Assembly (yet) and it hasn't been signed into law (yet). Earliest it would go into effect if passed and signed would be Jan. 1, 2014 SB-53 Ammunition: purchase permits
     
  20. Dave Workman

    Dave Workman Western Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Good catch.. I went in and corrected it with a link to an LA Times editorial from the other day that's a corker. Thx