Quantcast
  1. Sign up now and join over 35,000 northwest gun owners. It's quick, easy, and 100% free!

Could Your Shotgun Soon be Outlawed?

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by rufus, Apr 18, 2011.

  1. rufus

    rufus State of Jefferson Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,585
    Likes Received:
    930
  2. 2506

    2506 Seattle Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,368
    Likes Received:
    735
    Not much.
     
  3. caden08

    caden08 washougal Member

    Messages:
    325
    Likes Received:
    14
    There is quite a bit the ATF is doing at the moment to change gun rights/laws. Wouldn't surprise me one bit. Just wish the NRA would do more. But I believe that even they have an agenda.

    Go ahead call me crazy ;p
     
  4. joeroket

    joeroket Everett,Wa. Active Member

    Messages:
    263
    Likes Received:
    25
    This "talk" is about the Saiga12. Not your everyday non-magazine fed shotgun.
     
  5. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    9,674
    Likes Received:
    4,849
    In the Klinton era ATF has already outlawed a series of shotguns,, Streetsweepers, AR12s, Strikers, etc.. by the absurd act of reclassifying them as "destructive devices" and none of the spineless cowards we can congressmen did anything to stop or overturn it. So you bet it can happen again just about any time
     
  6. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    9,674
    Likes Received:
    4,849
    A shotgun is a shotgun..
     
  7. caden08

    caden08 washougal Member

    Messages:
    325
    Likes Received:
    14
    And an ar15 is a sporting rifle. . Unfortunately the lines aren't so black and white for them and they can classify it differently.


    I use and many use the ar platform as a hunting rifle... But that's not what the BATF see it as. So what's to say they change this to make it less acceptable to the uninformed and an eventual outlaw?
     
  8. Nwcid

    Nwcid Yakima and N of Spokane Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    3,593
    Likes Received:
    1,480
    AAAHHH just how it starts. Well it is just this one, then next just that one, till all are gone. What about the others that have gone before it?

    It is NOT just about this one, it IS about ALL guns.
     
  9. 2506

    2506 Seattle Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,368
    Likes Received:
    735
    I'll see your Saiga 12 and raise you my Beretta 687.
     
  10. Barefoot343

    Barefoot343 liberalville Active Member

    Messages:
    358
    Likes Received:
    36

    Agreed.

    One can also say...It is NOT just about this one freedom, it IS about ALL freedoms.
     
  11. 2506

    2506 Seattle Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,368
    Likes Received:
    735
    And those others would be...?
     
  12. caden08

    caden08 washougal Member

    Messages:
    325
    Likes Received:
    14
    I'd say the Brady laws that banned the import of AK47s among other rifles... Automatic weapons, suppressors in some states. Chicago just overturned (8 months ago) laws that prohibited handguns and pistols in city limits.... Many states have bans mags above 10rnds....
     
  13. Nwcid

    Nwcid Yakima and N of Spokane Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    3,593
    Likes Received:
    1,480
    All the shotguns that are now listed as DD and AOW. The main ones are USAS12, Streetsweeper and the striker 12. The ATF also wanted the Mossberg 500 bullpup on that list but it did not make it (thats a "normal" shotgun right?).

    Then of course before 1934 were was no such thing even as an NFA shotgun so if your shotgun had 14" barrels it was no issue.
     
  14. Dieselfuel12v

    Dieselfuel12v Bellingham Member

    Messages:
    152
    Likes Received:
    18
    With the ATF, you're free to believe you're free. They clearly are above freedom, and can change things how they see fit. The ATF should be gone away with, it was founded for poor reasons in the first place.
     
  15. Barefoot343

    Barefoot343 liberalville Active Member

    Messages:
    358
    Likes Received:
    36
    I am assuming he is talking about... fredoms.
    They are slowly being shrunk or takin away.
     
  16. Nwcid

    Nwcid Yakima and N of Spokane Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    3,593
    Likes Received:
    1,480
    Where in the 2A does it say "hunting, BATF, Sporing", or any other similar term? That is the true problem.
     
  17. caden08

    caden08 washougal Member

    Messages:
    325
    Likes Received:
    14
    Exactly Nwcid! But it eventually will if they have there way. Or even worse yet no 2A at all.
     
  18. Nwcid

    Nwcid Yakima and N of Spokane Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    3,593
    Likes Received:
    1,480
    Brady law has nothing to do with the import ban, that was the 1989 ban on importation of "non-sporting" firearms. Brady also had nothing to do with "Automatic weapons, suppressors in some states". There is a Federal law that deals with NFA items that has been in effect since 1934. States have the right to make their own rules too.


    Here is the Brady law right from the ATF, ATF Online - Firearms - Brady Law / NICS

    Brady Law / NICS
    On November 30, 1993, the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act was enacted, amending the Gun Control Act of 1968. The Brady Law imposed as an interim measure a waiting period of 5 days before a licensed importer, manufacturer, or dealer may sell, deliver, or transfer a handgun to an unlicensed individual. The waiting period applies only in states without an acceptable alternate system of conducting background checks on handgun purchasers. The interim provisions of the Brady law became effective on February 28, 1994, and ceased to apply on November 30, 1998. While the interim provisions of the Brady law apply only to handguns, the permanent provisions of the Brady law apply to all firearms.
     
  19. caden08

    caden08 washougal Member

    Messages:
    325
    Likes Received:
    14
    I apologize for my mis information on the imports, as for applying to suppressors and automatics I was
    Just making another point of right infringement. I was under the impression they the Brady law had more to do with the imports issue
    Especially from china
     
  20. Nwcid

    Nwcid Yakima and N of Spokane Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    3,593
    Likes Received:
    1,480
    Major milestone infringements

    1934, National Firearms Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    1968, Gun Control Act of 1968 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    1986, Firearm Owners Protection Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    1989, There was an amendment to the GCA. Imported guns were reevaluated and a list of "evil" features were made. It is hard to find direct info on this but this is the same as the 1994 AWB list.
    1993, Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    1994, Federal Assault Weapons Ban - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Of course there is more but those are the big ones.
     
    Blitzkrieg and (deleted member) like this.