Coronavirus 2019 (COVID-19) Official Thread

[SUPER X]

Hawaii is giving out tickets if your out , and hauled a couple folks to jail

 

[RicInOR]

How many ventilators did WA get from the USA Strategic supply?

"In Washington state, an early hot spot of the pandemic in the U.S., Democratic Gov. Jay Inslee said he would return more than 400 ventilators from the national stockpile so they could instead go to New York and other hard-hit states. Washington has purchased more than 750 ventilators, set to arrive in the coming weeks. "

Coronavirus Cases Rise Sharply, as U.S. Braces for Most Challenging Days Ahead

Health officials warned Americans to brace for a pivotal week in the coronavirus pandemic, as the number of new cases around the world jumped by more than 100,000 in a single day for the first time, with a third of them coming from the U.S.

www.wsj.com

 

[4Freedom]

Since it is convenient for the cop. So, roughly 150 years (there were no police forces before 1850 more or less)

Many, many times a cop will give a ride to jail to someone, knowing full well the Sgt will not sign off on it and they will be released.
- effect
1, might be something bigger on the person ie holding weight
2, may find an outstanding warrant
3, most likely, will get the person out of the situation, and let everyone calm down. Then things don't escalate to the point the cop has to write a report.

That it violates your rights, well you can use the courts to resolve that. Just cost you $$, time, etc to get an apology. Have at it.


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You heard about those guys who cut down a tree to keep out of staters in their house?
- that those guys had been around for months was of no concern to the mob
- it wasn't cops - it was the lynch mob known as neighbors.

Armed vigilantes blocked a neighbor's driveway with a tree to force him into quarantine

A Maine man said armed neighbors descended on his home and chopped down a tree to block his driveway and prevent him from leaving because they believed he has coronavirus.

www.cnn.com

Rick, there is a big difference to me from cops harassing a local drug dealer and gang banger or the guy who may be of the wrong skin color, demeanor (long hair, tattoos, etc) just because he is driving down the road to go grocery shopping.

As far as lynch mobs and vigilantes, well this even more of a reason I am hoping our law enforcement will maintain their integrity. Once law enforcement starts abusing their power and authority, that is also a time when bandits, vigilantes and thugs may come either out of fear of instability or just taking advantage of the chaos. When I was in Africa, I was as afraid of the police as I was of armed groups of bandits. Some of them were actually posing as police officers at checkpoints and then would rob you at gunpoint. We were always told never to travel at night and warned that certain roads could have fake checkpoints installed. Not that I wasn't afraid of the real checkpoints and some of the police who would at times demand we leave the vehicle, question me and my driver, sometimes for hours, in addition to every now again getting too close to the wrong end of a barrel of an underpaid officer wielding too much authority with little checks and balances, sitting in 90F heat for 8+ hours a day.

Can this happen in the USA? I would pray not.. That sounds ludicrous. But once you have rogue cops who decide they no longer need to follow the laws and start intimidating and harassing the average population you can have civil unrest and much greater amounts of lawlessness, like what you saw with the lynch mob who decided to play judge , jury and executioner. Once people lose respect of their law enforcement, that is a bad situation.

I also don't know why anyone would be accepting of blatant infringement of our civil rights. Why are we always championing gun rights, yet think it is ok for police to violate our rights by questioning our activities without any probable cause. Some may say it worked in Italy, China or Spain, but we are not those countries. Italy, for example , is plagued with corruption and people suffer because of the corruption and mismanagement of their government. Most European countries limit a lot of rights of their subjects. China is complete authoritarian . Indeed, an authoritarian police state can be effective in enforcing rules , but is that the society we want to live in?

IF we have to go to court, spend money, time and fight for our freedom for being the victim of a law enforcement officer having a bad day or just a big ego and arresting or writing us a citation that will now give us a criminal record that can destroy our freedoms and wreck havoc on our future we no longer live in a free country. We live in a police state ruled by abusive authoritarians and join ranks with many of the other authoritarian regimes in the world

And, don't think certain governments aren't taking advantage of this situation. Hungary and Phillipines have turned into complete authoritarian police states and the government has assumed ultimate authority. The leader of the Phillipines said he gives police the right to shoot to kill anyone who disobeys their orders. How would you like to live in that society? I would take the Coronavirus (even a worse virus) than living in such a country with such abusive and authoritarian leadership. In Hungary, it is now illegal to challenge anything from the leader and he also dissolved future elections.

 

[partsed]

Toilet paper and mac and cheese sections at Beaverton Walmart today. I noticed that nobody wanted the organic mac and cheese. Things haven't become that bad yet I suppose.

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I'd take some of the organic Mac and Cheese!!

 

[RicInOR]

I also don't know why anyone would be accepting of blatant infringement of our civil rights. Why are we always championing gun rights, yet think it is ok for police to violate our rights by questioning our activities without any probable cause.

This is an excellent question.


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There has long been various forms of "street" justice. Some might be taking money off dealers (whether sex, drugs, cigarettes (remember that guy killed NYC I think, for selling onesies - single cigs ) Others has been giving a beating, but letting the perp go. For others it is the "rough ride" remember the guy who died from head injuries after his. Others as I describe, you get "arrested" and transported, knowing full well you will be let out come next business-day morning. As in any organization there are a few bad actors. But, what pisses me off more, is that so many "know" but won't do or stop as they believe the repercussions are so bad -- being forced to some undesirable location/shift or god forbid IA.

Can this happen in the USA? I would pray not.

Katrina.
LA Riots - 1992
Rodney King Riots
WACO - Bikers Ralley ( many motorcycle riders arrested and harassed in Texas, but somehow no convictions )

I am pretty sure someone pointed out Stop and Frisk.

I think the fundamental cause is the cops being pressured or feeling pressured to do something, anything. And, to do it now.
When in fact, time is their best friend.

I also add this: Civil Forfeiture. In the USA cops can and do take property off people 'because' they are suspicious to the cops.
- examples - Man take of over 10k cash, when asked is it yours the man said no. He was a minister and the cash belonged to a ministry - charitable.
- Man pulled over said he was going to by a truck for cash. Used vehicles for cash?! Well, try and go to a cop auction and buy a used, seized vehicle for something other than cash.

"It’s been complete hell": how police used a traffic stop to take $91,800 from an innocent man

The money was supposed to go toward buying a legendary music studio. Now his dreams are on hold.

www.vox.com

Police Stop You While You're Carrying A Bunch Of Cash. What Happens To Your Money?

Even if you're innocent, you're probably not going home with that money.

www.huffpost.com

When cops ask, 'How much cash in the car?,' seized assets often follow

In one case, the officer said a man “had a look of nervousness.” Another could see the subject’s “heart beating through his shirt.”

www.greenvilleonline.com

 

[RicInOR]

Thursday: USS Comfort will only accept patients without Covid-19. Friday: Patients with Covid-19 transferred to USS Comfort by "mistake"

 

[sobo]

I have always hated the idea of civil asset forfeiture. It's guilty until proven innocent.
Sure, if the crook stole it/acquired it through nefarious dealings, determined after a court case, then, yeah. Take it off of him.
But a traffic stop and you're relieved of your personal finances? That's a jackboot police force...

 

[sobo]

Thursday: USS Comfort will only accept patients without Covid-19. Friday: Patients with Covid-19 transferred to USS Comfort by "mistake"

Now, who could've anticipated that...?

 

[FullMetalJerk]

About 480,000 people die each year due to smoking.

Yeah, and they don't shut the country down over it in the name of safety.

 

[RicInOR]

So say we all…

By OmegaPaladinQuote of the Day: Crisis, Real and Imagined | Ricochet

americandigest.org

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"This crisis will be resolved by truckers running the long haul on deserted highways, doctors and nurses working double shifts in scavenged PPE, grocery store and gas station employees keeping services and food available, utility and telecom workers keeping a strained system functioning, grad students and other researchers poring over data and running countless tests in hopes of giving us an advantage, and ordinary people trying to follow often-contradictory guidance and do the right thing while facing a locked-down economy. At the top, we have leaders whose every move is scrutinized and fraught with potential peril — there might not be any good choices, just bad and not so bad.

 

[kbf64]

Why is Oregon still on lock down?

The data reveals little to no benefit, and seismic losses

Why is Oregon still on lockdown? — Professor Hinkley

The data reveals little to no benefit, and seismic losses By Professor Hinkley April 4, 2020 (Author note: after more than 50,000 reads in about 8 hours, medium.com deleted this article from their site. Read my brand new blog post HERE .) Like most areas of the world right now, my amazi

www.professorhinkley.com

Does Oregon's 999 positive tests mean that 999 people in the state have COVID-19? 9,000 people? Or 900,000 people? That's the problem, no one has any idea, <- exactly.

 

[Nick Burkhardt]

Does Oregon's 999 positive tests mean that 999 people in the state have COVID-19? 9,000 people? Or 900,000 people? That's the problem, no one has any idea, <- exactly.

I think that there is a much larger number of us who recovered after mild symptoms or are simply asymptomatic.

How many Oregonians have recovered from coronavirus? State officials have no clue

The state can't offer the metric that might offer a small consolation to many in the face of a deadly pandemic.Because it has no clue.

pamplinmedia.com

 

[ma96782]

The coverup in America?

"You can't rely on just the laboratory-confirmed cases," said Marc-Alain Widdowson, an epidemiologist who left the CDC last year and now serves as director of the Institute of Tropical Medicine Antwerp in Belgium. "You're never going to apply the test on everybody who is ill and everybody who dies. So without doubt — it's a truism — the number of deaths are underestimated globally because you don't apply the test."

Coronavirus death toll: Americans are almost certainly dying of covid-19 but being left out of the official count

Aloha, Mark

 

[FullMetalJerk]

Interesting... from yahoo's homepage:
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HuffPost
Dr. Fauci Warned In 2017 Of 'Surprise Outbreak' During Trump Administration
Nina Golgowski
HuffPostApril 5, 2020, 1:00 PM PDT


Dr. Anthony Fauci, the U.S. government's top infectious disease specialist, warned in early 2017 that a "surprise outbreak" would occur during the Trump administration, and he said that more needed to be done to prepare for a pandemic.

"There is no question that there will be a challenge to the coming administration in the arena of infectious diseases," he said in a speech titled "Pandemic Preparedness in the Next Administration" at Georgetown University Medical Center. He delivered it just days before Trump was inaugurated on Jan. 20, 2017.

Fauci, who has overseen the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) since 1984, warned that looming health challenges would involve both chronic diseases ― ones already ongoing ― as well as "a surprise outbreak."

"No matter what, history has told us definitively that [outbreaks] will happen," he said. "It is a perpetual challenge. It is not going to go away. The thing we're extraordinarily confident about is that we are going to see this in the next few years."

Fauci ticked off a list of measures needed to prepare for such a crisis, including creating and strengthening global health surveillance systems, as well as public health and health care infrastructure; practicing transparency and honest communication with the public; coordinating and collaborating on both basic and clinical research, and developing universal platform technologies to better facilitate the development of vaccines.

"The mistake that so many people have made … is a failure to look beyond our own borders in the issue of the globality of health issues, not only things that are there that will come here but surprises that we'll have," he said in his prescient remarks.

Despite Fauci's early warnings and calls for action, a report on Sunday analyzing the Trump administration's response to the coronavirus pandemic found that federal agencies waited until the middle of last month to order vital medical supplies and equipment to fight the coronavirus, despite warnings about its pandemic potential being made in January. As the virus has spread across the country, reports persist of mass shortages of supplies in hospitals and medical centers.

"We basically wasted two months," Kathleen Sebelius, who served as the Health and Human Services secretary during the Obama administration, told The Associated Press of the government's response.

Fauci has also expressed exasperation over the efforts to stem to tide of COVID-19, the disease caused by the new coronavirus. On Thursday, he spoke out against states that have not issued a stay-at-home order to help prevent the virus from spreading.

"I don't understand why that's not happening," he said on CNN of stay-at-home orders in all 50 states. "The tension between federally mandated versus states' rights to do what they want is something I don't want to get into. But if you look at what is going on in this country, I do not understand why we are not doing that. We really should be."

 

[partsed]

I thought we were all gonna die from climate change.
Greta Thunberg #failure.

 

[Howard1955]

Well, this is curious.

 

[ma96782]

Aloha, Mark

 

[ma96782]

Can America handle the economic crisis?

Aloha, Mark

 

[Camelfilter]

Can America handle the economic crisis?

Aloha, Mark

Could America handle it if the medical system imploded? Both the humanitarian crisis, as well as the economic ripple affects?

Simply put, ABSOLUTELY the current economic crisis due to attempting to mitigate health systems failure is VERY VERY bad.

The other option (do nothing to mitigate), would be far far worse. Catastrophic, IMO.

The FACT that such is not occurring (medical infrastructure NOT collapsing) means that mitigation is working.

Give us a chance.

Stay the F*** home!

 

[ma96782]

Tell me it ain't so CCP.

I've been waiting for this one.

In case you forgot.......

U.S. accuses Huawei of stealing trade secrets, assisting Iran

US says it has evidence that Huawei can spy on mobile networks

US ban bites into Huawei's profits as company warns of potential Chinese retaliation

Aloha, Mark