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Cop is Guilty

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by CVMustang, May 18, 2010.

  1. CVMustang

    CVMustang Hillsboro Member

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    Ottawa Hills Officer Thomas White is found guilty of shooting motorcyclist.
    Heres a link to the story, scroll to the bottom of the story for the dash cam video of the shooting.
    Kudos to the jury for doing the right thing.


    http://www.toledoonthemove.com/news/story.aspx?id=457181
     
  2. MrNiceGuy

    MrNiceGuy between springfield and shelbyville Well-Known Member

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    I dont believe what the officer did was malicious, but I do believe it was negligent with severe consequences for everyone involved.

    Having said that, kudo's to the jury.
     
  3. CVMustang

    CVMustang Hillsboro Member

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    Well said Mr Nice Guy, negligence is the ideal description here.
     
  4. Father of four

    Father of four Portland, Oregon Well-Known Member

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    http://toledoblade.com/article/20100514/NEWS02/5140348/0/ARCHIVES


    "This case is not an indictment of all police officers," Mr. Lingo said. "This case is not an indictment of a police department. It is in fact a charge that resulted from the acts of a single police officer over a period of five minutes for which he acted alone and, the state feels, he should be held responsible."

    "Michael McCloskey was shot because White appropriately felt that either his life or the life of Officer [Christopher] Sargent was in danger at that moment," Mr. Phillips said.

    Well I might FEEL like my life could be in danger by an Angry and Rude Police Officer, but I can't just go and shoot him now can I? NO!
     
  5. Father of four

    Father of four Portland, Oregon Well-Known Member

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    I wish the Officer would be man enough to admit he was wrong in shooting this guy. Apologize and take his punishment. Let other LEO's learn from his mistake and try not to ever let this happen again. Should he go to prison? Not sure. Should he be fired? Not sure. But he should be held responsible.
     
  6. tionico

    tionico Thurston County Well-Known Member

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    Father of Four, absolutely. There is a word, very apropros here, which has become a hated word in our society.... that word is ACCOUNTABILITY. these days, when someone is adjudged to have committed a crime because he was bullied when he was six years old, responsibility for one's own decisions has disappeared. Whether negligent, criminal, irresponsible, bad judgement, this motorcyclist should NOT have been shot..... and I am glad to see the jury come to that conclusion as well. For once, an officer of the law is caught out and punished for his (bad judgement, negligence, hasty trigger finger, criminal intent, abusive view of his power, impatience, lack of proper training, any or all of the above) by a jury of HIS peers.

    I certainly wish the officer who shot the drunken Corvette driver in Seattle had been tried by a jury of equal integrity. That man, by all I've seen on the matter, should be behind bars, and surely no longer a LEO.
     
  7. fred c. dobbs

    fred c. dobbs salem Active Member

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    every cop is a "LIAR", every cop is a "COWARD", every cop a "CRIMINAL"
     
  8. Father of four

    Father of four Portland, Oregon Well-Known Member

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    I agree. I looked into that case and I think officer "thats enough" was another lucky one who got away with a crime. This one will be sentenced, but I would not hold my breath as for it being anything to fit the crime. Slap on the wrist probably.
     
  9. CEF1959

    CEF1959 Willamette Valley, Oregon New Member

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    But for the camera, this never would have gotten past an internal investigation. Kinda makes you wonder how many such incidents slide by. And by not simply coming out and saying, "I screwed up," this officer perpetuates the suspicion that cops routinely use excess force and then lie or make excuses to cover up their wrongdoing. It's a shame we need video to keep cops honest.
     
  10. Father of four

    Father of four Portland, Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Not true! But they are trained to lie to you to get the truth out of you. Weird!
     
  11. aaron

    aaron Prineville OR Member

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    Wow, I don't agree with that at all... I hope you don't really believe that:huh:
     
  12. Redcap

    Redcap Lewis County, WA Well-Known Member

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    Yeah. They think it is perfectly acceptable to lie to you, but lie to them...? Cops get real uppity at that. And if you catch them in a lie, damn...typically they get madder than a wet hen.
     
  13. zeezee

    zeezee nowheresville Member

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    Hmmm, because every cop is human? Doesn't say much for the human race, does it?
     
  14. Dyjital

    Dyjital Albany, Ore Flavorite Member Bronze Supporter

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    Well it appears that the correct outcome has came out.
     
  15. CharlesAFerg

    CharlesAFerg Beaverton Active Member

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    I'm surprised that you guys are being so lenient with this guy. How many of you watched the video? He didn't even completely turn around, he glanced over his shoulder and BANG, he was shot.

    He didn't even have the time to be uncooperative.
     
  16. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    The correct outcome will be issued if he is executed for first degree attempted murder. Any of us non badge wearers would be if we shot a cop this way

    At the very least we would spend our remaining years behind bars being tortured as a "cop killer", Think about it..

    If a non cop did this to an innocent cop I would also support the death penalty
     
  17. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    The biker was basically executed, except he survived. I would rather have died, being an active man and a biker, myself
     
  18. Father of four

    Father of four Portland, Oregon Well-Known Member

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    We don't expect LEO's to be perfect. We think they have the right to protect themselves too. I don't know why we are going easy on this guy. Maybe we hope most of the LEO's will admit that the Officer was wrong in shooting this motorbike rider. Hopefully something like this will help make the much needed changes in LE.

    Maybe they will admit that they have erred from the protection of the citizens and abiding by and enforcing the laws, to the now perceived use of the laws as a cash cow and putting the life of the officer over the life of the citizen.

    They would die trying to protect the citizen in the past. Now it seems like they will kill the innocent to protect themselves. This was another example.

    A citizen who made a traffic violation like that doesn't deserve death. ALL citizens do not need to be treated like criminals! Taking off with a high rate of speed deserves death? No!

    We are probably just getting tired of the same old crap the the bad LEO's do and get away with. If they don't make the change who can make them?
     
  19. Father of four

    Father of four Portland, Oregon Well-Known Member

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    You know you are exactly right! I bet most cops don't care about this speeder. They care about the cop. And yes if it was done to a cop you bet they would be pissed!
     
  20. supergenius

    supergenius 206 Active Member

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    Thank god. Hopfully he loses his job, its a lesson to other morons with badges (nor implying ALL police are morons) and does at LEAST 5