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Consenting to ID while fishing.

Discussion in 'Northwest Fishing' started by djaziatic, Sep 2, 2014.

  1. djaziatic

    djaziatic Portland, OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Is there any law saying we must consent to ID when a LEO asks for it while fishing? Do we lose our right to privacy when fishing? I was curious because an officer asked me for my fishing license the other day and wrote down my ODL number that was on my fishing license.
     
  2. BillM

    BillM Amity OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Not sure there is any "right to privacy" when you are engaged in an activity that requires
    a license.
     
  3. Reno911

    Reno911 Hillsboro Well-Known Member 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    Not sure why that's bad. All Oregon game wardens are also OSP. The likelihood someone from ODFW will come around and ask you for your fishing license is nill. So if an OSP officer approaches you for proof of license to fish, you best cooperate he/she is an OR game warden.
     
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  4. djaziatic

    djaziatic Portland, OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    I understand proof of license to fish, but did he really have to write down my ODL and most likely did a check? And BTW I was the only one checked out of 20+ people fishing.
     
  5. bolus

    bolus Portland Gold Supporter Gold Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    sounds like he was profiling. Were you holding your fishing pole sideways? got spinners on your reel? Did you have your waiters down near your knees?
     
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  6. Reno911

    Reno911 Hillsboro Well-Known Member 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    I wouldn't put too much thought into it. I was close friends with a NV warden back in NV. They would spot check random folks all the time and take their infos. Mostly for the same reasons you have to report whether or not you hunted or were successful with a big game tag.

    Are they collecting a database of those that are actually fishing. Highly doubtful. Mostly it's for statistics based off your address, which they either take from your fishing license, or from your drivers license. I'm no expert though, just familiar with a bit more due to my relationship with a NV warden, I could be full of turd, or OR could be completely different.

    If you felt he was profiling you, well that sucks, I know the feeling. At least you were in the clear and that is that.

    Who knows, maybe there is a link between those fishing illegally and other illegal acts...
     
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  7. djaziatic

    djaziatic Portland, OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Appreciate the responses.
     
  8. AMProducts

    AMProducts Maple Valley, WA Jerk, Ammo Manufacturer Silver Supporter

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    In most states I've fished, you need to keep your license in plain view on your body above the waist. Some states (california is the key example) actually issues the license to your drivers license, so you only get a receipt for your fee payment. I'm not sure how that affects display of your fishing license.

    It's also possible the other people there were already known to the officer. Generally, when fishing, hunting or doing any "normal" outdoor activity I have yet to run into some a-hole rule crazy fascist. I've even interacted with a few of the guys you see on whatever that nat-geo show about california game wardens, there is one guy who is notorious for being a PITA, but all I've seen is professionalism. My cousins did have a run-in with the one guy (he apparently decided to check some things on the family ranch after dark without even being so polite as to notify anyone) he was asked to leave and not come back.
     
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  9. Mark W.

    Mark W. Silverton, OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    I have even been searched by Federal Game Officers while Duck hunting (well the john boat we were on was searched) They had us unload our guns (they already were) and then they using our shells they attempted to put more then 3 rounds in the guns (we passed) they looked through our cooler and packs for Duck Breasts etc. (we passed) They were business like but polite. No biggy.
     
  10. djaziatic

    djaziatic Portland, OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    I'll give the officer the benefit of the doubt and assume I was chosen at random. If it happens again though, I will be inclined to speak my mind.
     
  11. PORSCHE928S4

    PORSCHE928S4 Newport, Oregon Active Member

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    Maybe a high capacity reel perhaps ?
     
  12. bolus

    bolus Portland Gold Supporter Gold Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    I found a pic. No wonder they stopped him

    tRH2UAP.png
     
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  13. PORSCHE928S4

    PORSCHE928S4 Newport, Oregon Active Member

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    Yea he looks a little FISHY to me !
     
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  14. mkwerx

    mkwerx Forest Grove, OR Well-Known Member

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    The regs say you must present your license to any game warden or ODFW official if asked, and since your license has identifying information on it, I'd say that means you've gotta ID yourself if they ask for your license. No requirement to show them your DL or other papers - but the law does say you have to present your fishing license / tags if asked.

    I can only think of one time when a trooper actually wanted to see my license, usually they just ask if I have one, ask how the fishing has been, sometimes they even cough up info on how it's been for others they've observed or checked. Maybe I'm just lucky.

    FYI I've also never had them say anything about my firearm while being contacted, as I open carry while fishing most of the time. OSP fish & game troopers, IMO are usually the best of the bunch from OSP. Down to earth guys and gals, most of them hunters and fishermen themselves, and aren't concerned with being tail light chasers or road warriors like their patrol counterparts. It's also been my experience that the F&G troopers observe from a distance before they make contact, partially so they don't interfere too much with your fishing/hunting activity, and partially to see if you're violating regs/laws. They probably have daily minimum field contact numbers (aka contact quotas) and you got to be one of the lucky ones to fill out a contact card on. I wouldn't worry about it. You probably didn't wind up on anymore lists than you were on before your encounter :D
     
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    U201491 Well-Known Member

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    LE tend to check areas daily, and the others may have been checked in previous days, so he knew they had their licenses, If you were new there, that is probably why you were checked.
    He did his job and that is what he was hired to do. Make sure people were complying with the game laws.
    Next time he will probably pass you by and check the next new guy to the area. Just give him the lic to view and be glad someone is protecting the fish and wildlife so we all have fish and game for the future.
    If you are abiding by the current laws then you have zero to worry about. Let him do his job and thank him for it.
     
  16. lowly monk

    lowly monk Beaverton, Oregon. Just a guy. Bronze Supporter

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    Yes they can, I don't mind at all. They usually leave me after I start asking all kinds of questions. From regs, Tackle to parking. Then I go on about how wonderful the lord is. Have a nice day! Remember you are fishing...
     
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  17. Joe13

    Joe13 NW of Vancouver Opinionated & Blunt Bronze Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    I have nothing to hide and have found that acquiescing to LEO's requests politely has resulted in no tickets or fines and generally seems to get then on their way faster then not.

    They have to deal with all sorts of ignorant folk, they cheer up pretty quickly when they find I'm not one of them.
     
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    HappyRoman Sherwood Forest Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Was it that the picture looked a little fishy or was it the odor?
    Was it a little fishy?
    Was it the fisherman (oops--fisherperson) or the farmer (OSP-) humm, let's really stink about this awhile
     
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  19. Martini_Up

    Martini_Up NW USA Well-Known Member

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    Yes, your right to privacy is gone while fishing and you have to consent to ID.

    Most of our rights are on the way out. Problem is that it is fashionable to let them go. People will call you ignorant folk, a hardliner, edgy, etc... if you attempt to question your fading rights.

    Better to just submit, fall in line and do as your told for the greater good and cheer up that poorly ol' LEO whom often has to deal with infringing upon everyones remaining rights and tires of the effort, the infrequent push back and mild resistance demonstrated by the poor attitudes of those they serve.

    Sorry, Mr. Franklin. We could not keep the Republic.
     
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    jp1985 Linn County, Oregon Active Member

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    Denying ODFW employees, peace officers or landowners opportunity to inspect license, catch and gear. It is also unlawful for
    any person licensed by ODFW to fail to comply with the directions of authorized Department personnel related to the collection of
    sampling data or material from salmon or other fish. It is also unlawful for any such person to fail to relinquish to the Department any
    part of a salmon or other fish containing coded-wire tags, including but not limited to, the snouts of those salmon that are marked by
    having clipped adipose fins

    Per fishing regs page 11.
     
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