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Concealed Carry Question in Washington

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by Kardolf, Jan 6, 2014.

  1. Kardolf

    Kardolf United States New Member

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    As I get back into shooting after a 20 year hiatus during which I let my CPL expire, I'm starting to get back into shooting and want to get my permit again. However, a friend of a friend (terrible way to start, I know) is taking a gun class in Puyallup. I don't know any more than that about the class unfortunately. In any case, he informed my friend that if I have my permit, and am carrying while driving in my car with my wife who is not permitted, then I "am going to jail". I have asked for some kind of backup to that statement, as I find it preposterous, but so far, I have not been able to get anything more than that statement. I went through all of RCW 9.41 today to try and find out if there is any basis to the comment, and so far I have not found anything that indicates that is true.

    Is there any basis to that statement?
     
  2. simon99

    simon99 Central Oregon Well-Known Member

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    I'm sure others will chime in with all the RCW's and legal-speak, but in layman's terms, your friend is full of cow-poo.
     
  3. deen_ad

    deen_ad Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    Not a problem as long as it's on you. There could be a problem if you leave the vehicle with her in it and the gun also. There is a AG's opinion about leaving the gun in the vehicle when gone pertaining to this. Usually if it's hidden when you leave AND the vehicle is locked it won't be a problem.
    I'll see if I have a copy of the AG's letter someplace, I know I used to have it a few computers ago!! Nope don't have it on my laptop.

    OK, I found it, now to see if I can attach it! Nope, it's too big at 1.39 MB.

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  4. AMProducts

    AMProducts Maple Valley, WA Jerk, Ammo Manufacturer Silver Supporter

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    The only problem here is if you leave a loaded gun in the car, and your wife takes off with the vehicle, gets pulled over and the gun is found, she could get into trouble. Now if the gun is unloaded, you're fine. In general, if you both have your CPL's and no kids (that take cars) you're fine, and I would highly recommend this. Failing that, keep your gun on your person and it's no longer an issue.
     
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  5. Kardolf

    Kardolf United States New Member

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    Thanks. You guys are sayng pretty much exactly what my response was.

    I would love to have my wife get her permit, but so far she has been resistant to that idea. She doesn't want anything to do with shooting at all. I will keep working on that.
     
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  6. mjbskwim

    mjbskwim Salmon,Idaho Well-Known Member

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    The handgun can not be with in reach of a non licensed person unless it's on your person.
    Can't have it setting on the seat or have it in the glove box,in reach of your wife.
    Why not get her a permit too?
     
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    duane black Washington Well-Known Member

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    Welcome to the forum !
     
  8. simon99

    simon99 Central Oregon Well-Known Member

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    A lot of women are just like your wife. Explain to her that owning and carrying a weapon is an empowering experience for a woman. Sign her up for a NRA certification class which will educate her why carrying a firearm on a daily basis could save her and those around her. Take her shooting but leave the big stuff at home. I started my wife out with a 10/22 and some cans to shoot, now she carries everyday, owns her own AR-15, wants to compete in 3-gun and loves to shoot! Good luck.
     
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  9. BigStick

    BigStick Sherwood, OR Well-Known Member

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    I don't think that is accurate. It is considered in the possesion of the driver if it is anywhere in the car was my understanding. Glovebox is ok, as long as you don't leave her in the car with it alone.
     
  10. Kardolf

    Kardolf United States New Member

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    Strongly considering getting a .22 or even a .32 pistol that I can let her use. And, I am looking for a nice 10/22 for myself to play with.
     
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  11. GunnyG

    GunnyG The Highlands Active Member

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    To be legal, the unlicensed person would need to be 18+, and the pistol would need to be unloaded while she was in sole possession of the car and its contents


    Pragmatically, something about trees falling and happenings in Las Vegas comes to mind. YMMV
     
  12. mjbskwim

    mjbskwim Salmon,Idaho Well-Known Member

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    Chapter 9.41 RCW: FIREARMS AND DANGEROUS WEAPONS

    I will stand corrected . I thought I read that but it must have been in a thread not at the state site above.
    But I don't find your statement in the laws either,so as usual the laws are vague so they can decide what they say in court.
     
  13. Redcap

    Redcap Lewis County, WA Well-Known Member

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    CZ82 is an excellent cheap (and exceedingly well-made) starting pistol. Hell, I still carry mine sometimes...it is one of the few that I absolutely won't get rid of.
     
  14. Botte Hork

    Botte Hork Camas WA Well-Known Member

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    I think most LEOs, DAs and lawyers would find that a perfectly acceptable explanation of the RCWs.
     
  15. BigStick

    BigStick Sherwood, OR Well-Known Member

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    Absolutely don't take my word for it either. I "remember" something to that effect, but I can't remember where I read it. Just somewhere in my readings I got the impression that the driver was "in possesion" of the firearm if it was in the vehicle, but that leads to other questions about if it isn't the driver's gun, etc. I love legal questions. They can always find something to arrest you for.
     
  16. AMProducts

    AMProducts Maple Valley, WA Jerk, Ammo Manufacturer Silver Supporter

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    Get her started with a beretta neos, high-standard or ruger mk3, small guns have scared more women away from shooting than jerks with shotguns.
     
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  17. deen_ad

    deen_ad Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    If anyone wants a copy of the AG's opinion on handguns in cars when the licensee isn't in the vehicle let me know. I found it and now have a copy on my laptop. I can send either a .pdf or the zipped .pdf.
    It's from 1987 but should still have legal standing in WA.


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  18. GunnyG

    GunnyG The Highlands Active Member

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    Does it differ from what I cut and pasted from the RCW, which says that to be legal, the unlicensed person would need to be 18+, and the pistol would need to be unloaded while she was in sole possession (or control) of the car and its contents?


     
  19. deen_ad

    deen_ad Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    Basically it says you must leave the gun so it's concealed in the car and lock the car.

    As I said, send me a PM and I'll email it to you.


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