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Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by Dave Workman, Nov 30, 2011.

  1. Dave Workman

    Dave Workman Western Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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  2. rufus

    rufus State of Jefferson Well-Known Member

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    On point as usual. Thanks Dave. :thumbup:
     
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    Tangent123123 Battle Ground Active Member

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    Interesting read, thanks for sharing Dave.

    I did catch a typo though, "hopolophbic"? :)
     
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    Riot Benton County, Washington Well-Known Member

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    [video=youtube;AkfEg9i0KFw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkfEg9i0KFw[/video]

    This isn't going to go down well...
     
  5. CamoDeafie

    CamoDeafie Albany Well-Known Member

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    for those who can't understand the voice over; what was going on ? what I could see was the guy brandishing and firing his rifle off into the wall; and shouting something? then police just fires on him....but there's clearly more to the story...
     
  6. michaels

    michaels oregon Active Member

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    The false split again.

    I don't know anyone who actually WANTS to be protesting.

    You do understand how easy it is to get an assaulting a police officer charge, right?
    Not saying that the charges in Olympia were unjustified, just giving you food for thought.

    Again, I have to say, if you claim to not know what occupy is about, turn off the tv, and talk with somebody who is involved.

    Workers rights, progressive taxes, and high gun ownership fit together very well.

    Study the Swiss model of governing as an example.
     
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  7. Mark W.

    Mark W. Silverton, OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Well its almost impossible to get an "assulting a police officer charge" if your not anywhere around the officer. You don't want to be charged with something don't put yourself in the position to cause what will result from your actions.

    I been sitting at home and I haven't even once come close to being charged with "assulting a police officer" while doing it.
     
  8. rufus

    rufus State of Jefferson Well-Known Member

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    Well, obviously you're not doing it right. :laugh:

    Those brave protesters, sacrificing everything for, wait, what are they doing again? Oh yeah, you have to be there in person to really know. What a bunch of carp.

    The longer this occupy nonsense continues, the worse these idiots look. The "99%" are in reality the 0.000001% and it's starting to show.
     
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    2506 Seattle Well-Known Member

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    locobob Beaverton, Oregon Well-Known Member

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    From the above article:

    The mainstream media was declaring continually "OWS has no message". Frustrated, I simply asked them. I began soliciting online "What is it you want?" answers from Occupy. In the first 15 minutes, I received 100 answers. These were truly eye-opening.

    The No 1 agenda item: get the money out of politics. Most often cited was legislation to blunt the effect of the Citizens United ruling, which lets boundless sums enter the campaign process. No 2: reform the banking system to prevent fraud and manipulation, with the most frequent item being to restore the Glass-Steagall Act – the Depression-era law, done away with by President Clinton, that separates investment banks from commercial banks. This law would correct the conditions for the recent crisis, as investment banks could not take risks for profit that create kale derivatives out of thin air, and wipe out the commercial and savings banks.

    No 3 was the most clarifying: draft laws against the little-known loophole that currently allows members of Congress to pass legislation affecting Delaware-based corporations in which they themselves are investors.



    So.... 1,2 and 3 roughly = stop the fraud and corruption. Is that a radical left wing agenda to you guys? God I hope not.
     
  11. A.I.P.

    A.I.P. UpperUS Active Member

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    When the Tea Party held MASSIVE Rallys on the Mall in DC there was no violence and there was NO Trash or Human Waste left behind to ruin the area for others. No Police Were Assualted, No One Was Raped, No Drug sales, No Human Trafficing, No Murders, No One Died.
    PS I love that vid.
    One commentor wishes that the shooter had taken cover and slaughtered as many as possible, typical gamer OWS trash
     
  12. Dave Workman

    Dave Workman Western Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Well, Michaels, if these people don't actually want to be protesting, they ought to pack their tents and boogie. Alas, there appear to be an ample contingent of, well, "professional protesters." That is, folks who just show up at these things and rant for the sake of ranting.

    I think the article says it all about what Occupy is about. Some people have genuine concerns.

    others aren't really sure what they want, but they want it now and they want someone else to pay for it.

    It's sort of hard to contend you don't know if the charges were justified when some of those charged actually bit state troopers. Kind of hard to bite someone accidentally.

    BTW: This ain't Switzerland. You want Swiss-style government? I'll provide you a map to Switzerland, but it requires a plane ride or a boat ride or a heck of a long swim.


    The Swiss are good about keeping guns in the home, and they make great chocolate.
    :D
     
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    rur862 Seattle Active Member

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    1. Congress has become a forum for legally obtaining plunder. Is it really a surprise when an opportunity to gain money exists, that an organization dedicated to the profit of its shareholders chooses to take advantage of it?

    Instead of "getting money out of politics," why don't the socialists instead simply suggest abiding by the constitution? Section 1 Article 8 of the U.S. Constitution (Enumerated Powers) did (and would again do) an excellent job of "getting money out of politics." It doesn't make sense to bribe a government which can perform no dirty favors.

    Yet socialists would never endorse such a platform because it would mean severely limiting the power of government, which runs counter-current to the core idea of an all-powerful totalitarian state.

    2. Restoring Glass-Steagall would have done nothing to prevent the crises we are currently experiencing. Attributing the recession to anything other than the credit expansion on the part of our government is an idea which is laughably ignorant to anyone with even a casual understanding of economics. Our current problems stem from the government's hopeless tinkering in the marketplace; to say that we can solve our situation by increasing its presence there is ridiculous.

    Instead of reinstating the Glass-Steagall act of 1933, why not repeal the Federal Reserve Act of 1913? We would be taking a step both towards the Constitution and real Capitalism.

    3. As for these loopholes, I direct the good members of this forum once again to Article 1, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution.

    Enumerated powers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
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    michaels oregon Active Member

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    Hi Dave,

    I do believe that the link provided by 2506 definitely had some thought and insight.
    It does a good job of saying what occupy is all about.
    I'm glad we agree.

    I never contended the charges in Olympia were unjustified. I'm just trying to make people aware that the threshold for what is considered "assaulting a police officer" is ridiculous. You know, the whole there's common sense and then there's legal.
    I'm sure you agree with me that sometimes common sense gets run over by legalese.

    All you can say about my appeal for the study of a similar yet different system of government is "this ain't switzerland" ?

    Your damn right I think we should have Swiss style government.
    I would love nothing more than my community setting my tax rates, and my taxes staying in my community.

    Ps

    Ich kenn de weg zu die schweiz guat g'nung ;)
     
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    doubletap007 Beaverton Active Member

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    yes,thanks to this idiot for putting more dung on the pile gun owners are always under.
    if he was going to do such a stupid thing he could have atleast thinned out the liberal population a little bit.
     
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    locobob Beaverton, Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Hmmmm, Well I agree with your first and second sentences although I have to wonder what your interpretation of Article 1 section 8 would look like... after that I just see a lot of labeling and discrediting and no real argument.

    P.S. I have taken college economics, I run a real business, and I disagree with you about Glass-Steagall. It may not be the "end all be all" but it's repeal was a contributing factor to the banking crisis. We should not have allowed the co-mingling of investment and commercial banking.
     
  17. Bigfoot

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    :thumbup: Limiting powers of the government is a real bad way to get your student loan debt forgiven.

    They aren't against corrupt government, they just don't want the capitalists doing the corrupting.
     
  18. rufus

    rufus State of Jefferson Well-Known Member

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    You guys can believe what you want about the OWS "movement". I disagree. Adam Carolla has it right:

    “We’re dealing with the first wave of participation trophies…everybody’s a winner, there are no losers.”

    "The top “1 percent” of America paying 50 percent of all income taxes in the country is not good enough for the Occupiers."

    “It’s this envy and shame, and there’s gonna be a lot more of it. It used to be back in the day, a father was walking his son and they’d see a guy go by in his Rolls Royce. There goes Mr. Jenkins. Look up to him.’ What do we do now? Oooh, look at him. Does he need that car? Why does he need to drive that car? Let’s throw a rock at it.”

    Warning, strong language:
    [video=youtube;cJD8pZiRIzs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJD8pZiRIzs[/video]
     
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    DinhRose Austin, Texas (Ex-Pat of SE PDX) Active Member

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    I love the ace man. I agree with what he said about shutting up and getting back to work.
     
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  20. rufus

    rufus State of Jefferson Well-Known Member

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    Dang straight. :thumbup:

    Speaking of OWS trash:

    Occupy L.A.: 30 tons of debris left behind at City Hall tent city

    Too bad there is nobody to send the clean-up bill to. Take a look at this mess HERE.