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Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by Sstrand, Jul 13, 2013.

  1. Sstrand

    Sstrand La Grande OR Well-Known Member

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  2. One-Eyed Ross

    One-Eyed Ross Winlock, WA Well-Known Member

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    Probably just a couple of chopper jocks being cute, maybe trying to buzz a girl friends house or something stupid like that....and the Army is investigating why they were there.

    "The Peninsula Daily News reports Army Col. H. Charles "Chuck" Hodges Jr. termed the episode "totally unacceptable" and added his apology. In his words, "At the very least we should have notified local authorities of the exercise."

    Hodges says he has launched an investigation."

    http://www.nwcn.com/home/?fId=215331271&fPath=/news/local&fDomain=10212
     
  3. Sun195

    Sun195 Pugetropolis, WA Well-Known Member

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    Last Wednesday, I saw what looked like two OH-58 Kiowas flying low over Seattle, one following the other. Were they "buzzing" the city? I don't know, but I haven't seen them flying over very often, or at that altitude. It didn't really bother me.
     
  4. GOG

    GOG State of Jefferson Well-Known Member

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    I have no idea if there's really anything to these type of events. However, they are occurring all over the Country with increasing frequency. There's lots of "training" in urban areas.

    Forgive my tinfoil hat moment, but I believe there's more here than meets the eye. There's always "logical" explanations and most people accept them and promptly forget about it. My thinking is that the training is meant to simulate a real world environment for the agencies involved and to condition the public to such events/sights. With the multitude of these events, I can't help but think it's all for some nefarious purpose. After all, there aren't many high rises in the middle east.

    With increasing government intrusion and dominance of the average Citizens life, I can only see bad things happening and it scares the heck out of me.
     
  5. Brutus57

    Brutus57 Skagit County Well-Known Member

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    With all their high tech toys.....in the immortal words of Pvt. Hudson. "GAME OVER! MAN, GAME OVER!!!

    :paranoid:

    Brutus out
     
  6. Brutus57

    Brutus57 Skagit County Well-Known Member

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    True, there aren't many high rises in the ME. But there aren't many in Port Angeles, either. I agree, something feels like its brewing and in ain't no Carmel macchiato.

    Brutus out
     
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  7. cookie

    cookie THE SOCIALIST STATE OF KALI - FORNIA Well-Known Member

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    Getting ready to attack the U.S A.
     
  8. RBid

    RBid Wilsonville, OR Well-Known Member

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    There's a lot more training in urban areas? Yeah. Ramadi, Fallujah, Baghdad, Sadr, Abbottabad, etc. These are all urban environments. This is what war looks like in modern times. As overmatched forces hide among noncombatants and operate primarily from the shadows, war happens where people are.

    We do not need to fear a war with our own military. That is not naivete. It is a matter of logistics.
     
  9. Caveman Jim

    Caveman Jim West of Oly Springer Slayer 2016 Volunteer

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    It is all part of Owebamma's secret civilian army. He want's to be ready for the revolt that is sure to come!!!
     
  10. GOG

    GOG State of Jefferson Well-Known Member

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    I'm not a conspiracy theorist by any means. But at some point, if it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck...
     
  11. Brutus57

    Brutus57 Skagit County Well-Known Member

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    "Ok, so there are 4 dead Americans. What does it matter now?!?"

    I am just just sayin. The above attitude and enemy of our way of life is what we are facing once the Rubicon is crossed. I just wish the hell I knew where and what the Rubicon moment will be. We do not matter to them. And the fact they value certain Americans and non Americans more than some of us is the most frightening aspect of the coming storm.

    Brutus out
     
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  12. One-Eyed Ross

    One-Eyed Ross Winlock, WA Well-Known Member

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    Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatum. William of Occham (although some scholars think it was originated by John Punch of Cork in 1639)

    Sometimes a chopper jock being an idiot is just a chopper jock being an idiot. Doesn't have to be anything more than that...
     
  13. Brutus57

    Brutus57 Skagit County Well-Known Member

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    Whole flights, 4 birds are not a helo pilot being an idiot. Now I am not saying they weren't on a valid training mission. That being said....these sorts of things are trending upward while less and less attention is being paid to the letter of the law. The safety of the many these days seems to out weigh the rights of the few or the one, to paraphrase Mr. Spock. Believe me,I am not a paranoid person by nature. I do have a pretty solid background in US, world and military history as well as some technical training on trends and chatter....
    I"d really like to be wrong on what I think our next 5-10 years might turn out to be.
    I am making an educated guess it is going to get worse before it improves.
    Brutus out
     
  14. RBid

    RBid Wilsonville, OR Well-Known Member

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    No.

    Our military could not win. Period. The U.N. (including our troops) couldn't defeat the Taliban, who were a group estimated to be about 45,000 strong, embedded in a country with a population 1/10 the size of the United States.

    Everything else aside, there is the simple matter of supplies. Our military relies on supplies that are provided for, or must pass through, civilians. Wrap your head around that. Incredibly, that is probably less scary for our military to consider than the simple fact that the people who they love live among us. Imagine going to war, when your wife and kids might unknowingly live next door to your enemy.

    Wars are not won by eradication. They are won when one side loses the will to continue. In this case, our soldiers have zero will to take us on. That war could never start.
     
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    DMax Yamhill Well-Known Member

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    Does that go for FEMA Corps also?
     
  16. GOG

    GOG State of Jefferson Well-Known Member

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    Homeland Security?
     
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    RBid Wilsonville, OR Well-Known Member

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    Yes. That applies to FEMA and DHS, as well. I don't think people realize how few Federal agents there are. There are fewer than 15,000 special agents attached to the FBI, for example.

    Aside from all of that... most of our military, LE, and Feds wouldn't side with our politicians over the People, anyway.
     
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    hermannr Okanogan Highlands Well-Known Member

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    Just from the names of the businesses I would guess tobacco smuggling. WA has an over $3.00 a pack tax on smokes. Something like 5th highest in the US. Any time you artificially inflate the price of anything through taxes, there will be someone out there willing to take the risk to earn an easy buck.
     
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    Mattofsmatt Portland Member

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    I saw this in Portland about 2 weeks ago. Flying under 500 feet along the riverfront near NW PDX. Fast. A flight of at least 4. I couldn't get an accurate number because they were obscured by buildings most of the time. I was so surprised when I first saw them (only for a few seconds) that I tried driving around the neighborhood to get a better look. I wasn't able to see them again. I am 100% positive that they were Kiowas. 100% positive that there were 4 or more. I've never seen them operating in this area before. Plenty of Chinooks and USCG Seahawks, but I've never seen a Kiowa here.
     
  20. One-Eyed Ross

    One-Eyed Ross Winlock, WA Well-Known Member

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    The Kiowas have been getting a lot of flight time, at least from what I can see. I live along the I-5 corridor (well, near enough to see) and the Kiowa troop is doing a lot of back and forth lately. Don't know if they are a US, AR or NG group, but they've been flying.