Oregon Columbia county gun sanctuary

[PNWPrepper]

Just saw something on TTAG that there were measures passed saying that the police are no longer allowed to enforce certain gun laws including anything new with magazine bans, open vs concealed carry AND suppressors! What does this mean? Will people be able to buy suppressors in Columbia county easier now?

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[Stomper]

It will be as easy as it's ever been to buy a suppressor. They are legal (always have been) in Oregon, and the only hurdle is going through the NFA tax stamp process.

 

[PNWPrepper]

It will be as easy as it's ever been to buy a suppressor. They are legal (always have been) in Oregon, and the only hurdle is going through the NFA tax stamp process.

Will there still be the wait? Or will it be as simple just buy it? Or will it be take a standard background check, pass and leave with it?

 

[PNWPrepper]

It will be as easy as it's ever been to buy a suppressor. They are legal (always have been) in Oregon, and the only hurdle is going through the NFA tax stamp process.

Or will it be something like if you made your own suppressor and didn't register it, the police can't enforce it?

 

[Stomper]

Or will it be something like if you made your own suppressor and didn't register it, the police can't enforce it?

It's really never been the State & Local LEO's you have to worry about... it's the (Federal) BATFE and a potential 10-yr Federal prison sentence (per offense) that's the sledge hammer.

States and counties can pass all the sanctuary ordinances they want, but the Feds regulate NFA items. The Columbia County sanctuary ordinance is aimed at nullifying any anti-2A State statutes the slime-balls in Salem may pass in the impending sessions. It prohibits COUNTY resources from enforcing any laws, it doesn't prevent State troopers or the BATFE from kicking in your door.

Capeche?

 

[PNWPrepper]

Makes sense! Thanks!

 

[arakboss]

Is sheriff still going to process CHL applications?

 

[Flymph]

Is sheriff still going to process CHL applications?

Probably, the point is to preserve what we have as law now, a sort of line in the sand on the issue.

 

[3MTA3]

I think it's a statement that they won't enforce unconstitutional horse squeeze coming out of Salem.

 

[The Heretic]

It is a feel good thing.

When it comes to federal laws (anything to do with the NFA especially), it will be the ATF that enforces the laws and not city or county LEOs - and we all know that when it comes to enforcement, the ATF is not 2A friendly.

When it comes to state laws, yeah, city and county LEOs and judiciary are often involved, but that doesn't preclude the OSP from jumping in if they feel they need to, and take it from me, when the governor says "jump", the OSP jumps and doesn't wait to ask "how high".

So don't fool yourself into thinking you can go to some "sanctuary" county or city and then you are magically protected from state and federal laws. Not even close.

 

[arakboss]

"When it comes to state laws, yeah, city and county LEOs and judiciary are often involved, but that doesn't preclude the OSP from jumping in if they feel they need to, and take it from me, when the governor says "jump", the OSP jumps and doesn't wait to ask "how high". "

That is no joke about OSP:

 

[NW Backpacker]

Top of the front page in The Oregonian today, complete with large color photo, and continued on to occupy another full page of text. The headline in the paper edition was: "State gun laws face pushback".

2 Oregon counties make it a crime for police to enforce most gun laws

In Umatilla and Columbia counties, deputies and officers who choose to enforce those laws risk prosecution and hefty fees -- criminal sanctions that “we are very proud of,” said Rob Taylor, an Oregon gun rights activist who has lobbied for such measures across the state.

www.oregonlive.com

 

[CamoDeafie]

I might be quite wrong; but last I read up on jurisdiction the last few times this type of thing came up... the approx 500-strong State Troopers have jurisdiction only in the following places
State owned property including parks and forest (maybe? Special branches?)
State highways including Interstates
State Offices and buildings leased by State agencies

Otherwise, the County Sheriff departments have primary jurisdiction on all private properties within the counties. City police departments have jurisdiction within their cities, and usually assist County in rural suburbs/between city limits/rural limits (Salem comes to mind with Cordon Road boundary)
Of course, OSP can request jurisdictional access from County Sheriff though, in certain cases (like gun shows for example).

We also have the Federal jurisdiction for NFA items. Believe the Appeals courts said Montana can't nullify Fed laws related to firearms because the Feds have "sole regulationary and enforcement authority" for firearms laws back in 2008.. when Montana passed that Firearms Freedom Act.

 

[RedCardinalSeven]

I might be quite wrong; but last I read up on jurisdiction the last few times this type of thing came up... the approx 500-strong State Troopers have jurisdiction only in the following places
State owned property including parks and forest (maybe? Special branches?)
State highways including Interstates
State Offices and buildings leased by State agencies

According ORS 181A.080:

(1) The Department of State Police and the members of the Oregon State Police are charged with the enforcement of:
(a) All criminal laws; and
(b) All laws applicable to highways and the operation of vehicles on highways.

(2) Each member of the state police is authorized and empowered to:
(a) Prevent crime.
(b) Pursue and apprehend offenders and obtain legal evidence necessary to ensure the conviction of the offenders in the courts.
(c) Institute criminal proceedings.
(d) Execute any lawful warrant or order of arrest issued against any person or persons for any violation of the law.
(e) Make arrests without warrant for violations of law in the manner provided in ORS 133.310 (Authority of peace officer to arrest without warrant).
(f) Give first aid to the injured.

(3) Each member of the state police has the same general powers and authority as those conferred by law upon sheriffs, police officers, constables and peace officers.

I don't see any geographical restrictions in ORS Chap 181A (or anywhere else) on the jurisdiction of the OSP within Oregon.

 

[Flymph]

According ORS 181A.080:I don't see any geographical restrictions in ORS Chap 181A (or anywhere else) on the jurisidction of the OSP within Oregon.

An ex-officer told me that since most-all LEOs are certified by the state that they all have authority to handle law enforcement within the state. However, jurisdiction is a prominent guideline.

 

[NW Backpacker]

Pro-2A ballot measure passes (barely) in Montana:
ETA: Scroll down and read the Campaign Finance info for this ballot measure to see what we are up against, and the identities of the enemies of the the USA.

Montana LR-130, Limit Local Government Authority to Regulate Firearms Measure (2020)

Ballotpedia: The Encyclopedia of American Politics

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2020 Ballot measures in the USA - some good, some awful:

2020 ballot measure election results - Ballotpedia

Ballotpedia: The Encyclopedia of American Politics

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ETA - here is a snippet of the Montana LR-130 Campaign Finance info in case you don't want to click link above:
Antis collected $1,619,845. Pro-2A groups (NRA) collected $51,615.

 

[The Heretic]

An ex-officer told me that since most-all LEOs are certified by the state that they all have authority to handle law enforcement within the state. However, jurisdiction is a prominent guideline.

Uh yup. Have a cousin who was OSP, now NCIS. Used to have an uncle in law who was OSP. Been visited by OSP on private and public lands all over the state.

The OSP is in charge of game law enforcement on all lands.

Any place that is not patrolled by county or municipal LEOs usually has OSP patrolling it.

Yes, generally they recognize jurisdiction and work with local authorities, just like FBI and ICE do, but they can and will knock on your door to confiscate guns and arrest you if they are directed to do so by the governor. Good luck trying to tell a judge/court that they do not have jurisdiction anywhere in the state of Oregon enforcing state laws - they do (including, at least to some degree, indian reservations).

 

[CamoDeafie]

Uh yup. Have a cousin who was OSP, now NCIS. Used to have an uncle in law who was OSP. Been visited by OSP on private and public lands all over the state.

The OSP is in charge of game law enforcement on all lands.

Any place that is not patrolled by county or municipal LEOs usually has OSP patrolling it.

Yes, generally they recognize jurisdiction and work with local authorities, just like FBI and ICE do, but they can and will knock on your door to confiscate guns and arrest you if they are directed to do so by the governor. Good luck trying to tell a judge/court that they do not have jurisdiction anywhere in the state of Oregon enforcing state laws - they do (including, at least to some degree, indian reservations).

There's still only 670ish State Troopers (just looked it up) in OSP.... for 4 million odd people. Think the Sheriff depts and city police far outnumber OSP.

 

[arakboss]

There's still only 670ish State Troopers (just looked it up) in OSP.... for 4 million odd people. Think the Sheriff depts and city police far outnumber OSP.

It would only take a couple to ruin your life

 

[CamoDeafie]

It would only take a couple to ruin your life

Thats very true. They need to keep people isolated/away from mutual support On the other hand, with the possible support of County sheriff departments in these 2A sanctuary counties.. we aren't as bad off as could be. We do know they absolutely can't do total gun confiscation without the support of certain city and county departments (looking at MultCo and PPB)