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What I am trying to say: the opponents are often incredibly ignorant/misinformed about firearms and firearm-related laws, and that makes good political trades possible.

You want background checks? Fine, let's create a system for voluntary (not mandatory) checks, and, while we're at that, enforce national CHL reciprocity by all states. Good deal? Great deal, if you ask me.

You want magazine size limits? Fine, let's limit the sizes of magazines to 86 rounds max nationally and trade that for a law that prohibits all states from decreasing that limit. The funny thing is: the Left may happily take those 'deals', since their ignorant voters will perceive it as a win.

You want to prevent mentally-ill from having guns? OK, how about abolishing the ATF and the ban on fully-automatic weapons as a trade?

The inflexible "we are not listening, go away, not an inch further, ..." stance does not buy us anything. It creates an image of stubborn, out-of-touch "cold-blooded NRA-brainwashed psychopaths ready to sacrifice our children for their so-called right to succumb to their demonic illness and enjoy their evil toys, ... blah-blah".

We do not want that image if we are serious about getting support from the middle. We cannot afford to be portrayed as maniacs who cannot be reasoned with. Both war and politics are not about dying a heroic death, it is about making your opponent be a dead hero. We must engage in meaningful, and sometimes meaningless, dialogs, we must seek common ground, or at least appear to be seeking it, we must be willing to sacrifice a little bit here to gain a bit more there. Smart politics and good tactics will get us further than you can imagine.
 
What part of "Shall Not Be Infringed" is debatable? Continue to let the antis chip away and you get what you have in the 7 gun paranoid states Cali, Conn, etc, etc. Kid and his parents getting shaken down because a legal photo on a FB page of a kid as I recall with his new birthday present. IMHO you stand firm like they did in Colorado and beat them at the ballot box.

Brutus Out
 

This is just another example of "stand your ground" isolationism - being partisan, seceding into ever-shrinking pockets of gun culture that is losing ground and relevance outside of those pockets.

Secession calls have never been a viable answer to anything. Have you forgotten the lessons of the Civil War? Why is it so difficult to see the obvious trend in the U.S. history - centralization (change from a union of very powerful states to the strong federal government that largely governs the entire country, like it or not)?

Instead of seceding and retreating we should be bugging out - spreading the gun culture INTO the swing and even liberal states. Going into California instead of barricading. Changing this country as a whole.

The real battle has always been federal. You and Maryland counties can secede all you want, but you are still within the USA. It is still one nation, one country under Constitution. The long-term future of the firearms culture depends on the long-term sentiment of the entire American population. It is a battle to win new friends, new minds, not a battle to defeat the old enemies.

The modern warfare is dynamic. It is all about movement, which should not be confused with retreating. Instead of forming mid-XX century like "fronts" and "defending" those lines, you are better off employing "hit and run" tactics - trade A for B, trade B for C, with the ultimate goal of scoring sustainable wins on average, not everywhere. It is not about you and your gun rights, dude - it is about whether your children and grandchildren will be able to enjoy them.

The Colorado recall was a mixed bag. We were outspent 8-1, which is very bad and very alarming. We won, which is very good and very encouraging. But in terms of legislation, nothing significant happened - Colorado is still Dem-controlled, they still have the 15-round magazine ban, etc. The battle is for the moderate/independent voters, as usual - you guys tend to scare them away, then cry a secession river.
 
This is just another example of "stand your ground" isolationism - being partisan, seceding into ever-shrinking pockets of gun culture that is losing ground and relevance outside of those pockets.

Secession calls have never been a viable answer to anything. Have you forgotten the lessons of the Civil War? Why is it so difficult to see the obvious trend in the U.S. history - centralization (change from a union of very powerful states to the strong federal government that largely governs the entire country, like it or not)?

Instead of seceding and retreating we should be bugging out - spreading the gun culture INTO the swing and even liberal states. Going into California instead of barricading. Changing this country as a whole.

The real battle has always been federal. You and Maryland counties can secede all you want, but you are still within the USA. It is still one nation, one country under Constitution. The long-term future of the firearms culture depends on the long-term sentiment of the entire American population. It is a battle to win new friends, new minds, not a battle to defeat the old enemies.

The modern warfare is dynamic. It is all about movement, which should not be confused with retreating. Instead of forming mid-XX century like "fronts" and "defending" those lines, you are better off employing "hit and run" tactics - trade A for B, trade B for C, with the ultimate goal of scoring sustainable wins on average, not everywhere. It is not about you and your gun rights, dude - it is about whether your children and grandchildren will be able to enjoy them.

The Colorado recall was a mixed bag. We were outspent 8-1, which is very bad and very alarming. We won, which is very good and very encouraging. But in terms of legislation, nothing significant happened - Colorado is still Dem-controlled, they still have the 15-round magazine ban, etc. The battle is for the moderate/independent voters, as usual - you guys tend to scare them away, then cry a secession river.

you have a good argument with yourself and giving a good reason to succeed. because of the politics you will not win over the politicians but you can show the people of the state how wrong their politicians are with data on crime. also you do not lose any ground and the red states do not gain any ground, the control of is what the politicians lose or gained.
 

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