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svg4 · Jan 17, 2012

Is there a limit to the number of FTF sales you can do before you have to be a licensed dealer? Oregon Normal rifles and pistols, nothing odd or strange

question #2; Do you need to do paper work on the above sales?

Thanks

deadeye · Jan 17, 2012

No limit / no paperwork just dont be doing it for making a profit like a busness. Some may argue if you have more than I believe 25 for sale at one time it could be considered a gun show which would require doing BG checks.

DieselScout · Jan 17, 2012

You're only limited by the number you own.

This is a joke and is now way supported by any law or legal knowledge

Redcap · Jan 17, 2012

DieselScout said:
You're only limited by the number you own.

This is a joke and is now way supported by any law or legal knowledge

This is actually true.

pokerace · Jan 17, 2012

deadeye said:
No limit / no paperwork just dont be doing it for making a profit like a busness. Some may argue if you have more than I believe 25 for sale at one time it could be considered a gun show which would require doing BG checks.

My Gun club won'y allow more than 25 guns at our swap meets..

roger00352 · Jan 17, 2012

There are laws governing the amount of money you can make like deadeye said. Most states require you to make more than $2000 profit before you must claim on you taxes. Once you reach that limit you may be concidered a dealer and may have to aquire a liscense. Best bet is to check with your local ATF Rep.

BSG 75 · Jan 17, 2012

If you are "engaged in the business of dealing in firearms" you need to be licensed. The ATF defines "engaged in the business" as

Q: What does engaged in the business mean?

The term engaged in the business, as applicable to a firearms dealer, is defined as a person who devotes time, attention, and labor to dealing in firearms as a regular course of trade or business with the principal objective of livelihood and profit through the repetitive purchase and resale of firearms, but such term shall not include a person who makes occasional sales, exchanges, or purchases of firearms for the enhancement of a personal collection or for a hobby, or who sells all or part of his personal collection of firearms.

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There is no clear distinction when "occasional sales, exchanges, or purchases" becomes "repetitive purchase and resale of firearms".

Nwcid · Jan 17, 2012

roger00352 said:
There are laws governing the amount of money you can make like deadeye said. Most states require you to make more than $2000 profit before you must claim on you taxes. Once you reach that limit you may be concidered a dealer and may have to aquire a liscense. Best bet is to check with your local ATF Rep.

Say you have a collection of 1000 guns and you decide one day to sell it all that is 100% legal without a license per the law quoted above.

sheepdip · Jan 17, 2012

i would guess that if all deals were ftf with no paper trail that uncle sam would see who would be the wiser? if multiple out of state sales were involved there could be a problem. i dont know when the red flag would be raised.

blitz · Jan 17, 2012

i was wondering the same thing not to long ago. i couldnt find a limit. i did find this though:
Oregon Firearms Federation | FAQ's. A Gun Owner's Guide In The Beaver State

answers alot of questions.

joken · Jan 20, 2012

I read it like this. It's against the law for me to buy and sell with then intent of making a profit. I trade and sell some guns to enhance the quality and hopefully the size of my collection. My wife will tell you that I'e never made a profit. Ken

lcb97269 · Jan 31, 2012

Under Oregon law,where you and I live, 25 or more guns for sale = a gun show, unless it is disposing of personal arms, as in an estate sale. How they determine that who knows. Ask Ginny Burdick since she is the most antigun person in the state.

Just look at her and you will see she is on the Pelosi beauty plan. If she had her way, God forbid, we would all be sent to hell following it.