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Hey Gunner, I'm not a chemist either. I am aware that any petrolem product would be TNT as far a powder and primer handling. Most things are marked on the container if this is true. Silicone, I don't know either and I would think it would not ne compatable with the petrolem products either. Contents are not on the bottle, but decline to drink any, even if mixed with Jack Daniels!
It is a product that has been around for awhile. Some years back Sierra used to put out a monthly news letter that covered a bunch of things in the loading field. They also had a hotline where you could call a tech who had answeres for just about everything. Once I even asked about using a solvent to clean the sizing lube off the cases. Answer was no. The Nufinish was not on the list of things to avoid.
The characteristics you describe when using it have not been mine. The amount of shine produced while using it varies with the coarseness of the media. Walnut hulls a clean dullish shine, but the corn husk media does come out pretty shiney. I sure can't detect a silicon effect when sizing cases, and the same amount of energy is needed with cases cleaned in this manner, and cases that are not tumbled at all. I have used just about all the different case lubes that are out there from RCBS, One Shot, and now kind of lean toward a case wax. All the exterior loaded cartridges are wiped off when they they are completed.
Back to the tumbling, the smell and vapors you speak of are simply not there. The only odor is from the sheets of fabric freshner that picks up all the contaminates burnt powder, dirt, little pieces of minute brass, and dust off the tumbling media. I don't use these sheets on every load, just when the media starts to darken up and lose it's polishing effects. No coatings of the NuFinish on it, it should have if petrolum based. Also I would think these residues would remain on the cases and form a white haze when dried. Doesn't happen. Most all the commercial stuff has some kind of abrasive with it like jewler's rouge and simular. I have no idea what the liquid carrier is, but some of it does cling to and eventually settle in the pores of the fabric
sheets. In fact some that I got from Midway I kind of quit using for that and some other reasons. It's base was a red jewlers rouge.
Sometimes the cases will set around for months and a few years before using them. No residue, and there is no dry time on the cases that are loaded right after the tumbling process because their is no wetness of any type. The only time that I have used H2O was if I got a very dirty, muddy, nasty cases. Shake them up in hot soapy water, followed by clear hot water, and dried and checked for dryness before tumbling is done.
The only failure to fire including long term storage of loaded ammo was at the very start of my loading career. Using the old Lyman nutcracker 310 tool,
priming was done one primer and case at a time. I had a failure to fire that was traced back to handling cases with lube on them, followed by handling the primers with lube on my fingers. A lesson learned very early, dirty fingers and handling primers don't mix. Vapors and smoking? Quit a few year back and miss it at times. Don't recall doing so while loading. Smoked a pipe, so there is only so many things a pair of hands can do and stay coordinated!
Anyhow, just did a little mad chemist testing. This stuff does not burn. Placed on a class A fuel, it does not burn. Squeezing a near empty bottle to create some type of vapor puts the match out. Direct exposure of flame to gob of it, stains it a litttle to from white to a tan, but will not ignite. No markings on the bottle of any hazards or antidotes. I still feel comfortable to use this product in my tumbler. I use other types also, in fact I just bought a quart of that Midway's Frankfort stuff at $20 plus postage!
Don't know a bunch about silicon and it's effects other than sometimes when used to enhance breasts can be hazardous if they are yours. Used in a bunch of things and seems pretty inhert.
It is a product that has been around for awhile. Some years back Sierra used to put out a monthly news letter that covered a bunch of things in the loading field. They also had a hotline where you could call a tech who had answeres for just about everything. Once I even asked about using a solvent to clean the sizing lube off the cases. Answer was no. The Nufinish was not on the list of things to avoid.
The characteristics you describe when using it have not been mine. The amount of shine produced while using it varies with the coarseness of the media. Walnut hulls a clean dullish shine, but the corn husk media does come out pretty shiney. I sure can't detect a silicon effect when sizing cases, and the same amount of energy is needed with cases cleaned in this manner, and cases that are not tumbled at all. I have used just about all the different case lubes that are out there from RCBS, One Shot, and now kind of lean toward a case wax. All the exterior loaded cartridges are wiped off when they they are completed.
Back to the tumbling, the smell and vapors you speak of are simply not there. The only odor is from the sheets of fabric freshner that picks up all the contaminates burnt powder, dirt, little pieces of minute brass, and dust off the tumbling media. I don't use these sheets on every load, just when the media starts to darken up and lose it's polishing effects. No coatings of the NuFinish on it, it should have if petrolum based. Also I would think these residues would remain on the cases and form a white haze when dried. Doesn't happen. Most all the commercial stuff has some kind of abrasive with it like jewler's rouge and simular. I have no idea what the liquid carrier is, but some of it does cling to and eventually settle in the pores of the fabric
sheets. In fact some that I got from Midway I kind of quit using for that and some other reasons. It's base was a red jewlers rouge.
Sometimes the cases will set around for months and a few years before using them. No residue, and there is no dry time on the cases that are loaded right after the tumbling process because their is no wetness of any type. The only time that I have used H2O was if I got a very dirty, muddy, nasty cases. Shake them up in hot soapy water, followed by clear hot water, and dried and checked for dryness before tumbling is done.
The only failure to fire including long term storage of loaded ammo was at the very start of my loading career. Using the old Lyman nutcracker 310 tool,
priming was done one primer and case at a time. I had a failure to fire that was traced back to handling cases with lube on them, followed by handling the primers with lube on my fingers. A lesson learned very early, dirty fingers and handling primers don't mix. Vapors and smoking? Quit a few year back and miss it at times. Don't recall doing so while loading. Smoked a pipe, so there is only so many things a pair of hands can do and stay coordinated!
Anyhow, just did a little mad chemist testing. This stuff does not burn. Placed on a class A fuel, it does not burn. Squeezing a near empty bottle to create some type of vapor puts the match out. Direct exposure of flame to gob of it, stains it a litttle to from white to a tan, but will not ignite. No markings on the bottle of any hazards or antidotes. I still feel comfortable to use this product in my tumbler. I use other types also, in fact I just bought a quart of that Midway's Frankfort stuff at $20 plus postage!
Don't know a bunch about silicon and it's effects other than sometimes when used to enhance breasts can be hazardous if they are yours. Used in a bunch of things and seems pretty inhert.
