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Changes In Our World ~ YOU AIN'T GONNA LIKE THIS! (An e-mail I recieved this morning)

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by arjunki, Nov 30, 2010.

  1. arjunki

    arjunki Beaverton Active Member

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    I just thought I'd share this e-mail I got this morning. I'm sure that some of you have already seen it but for those that haven't here it is:



    Part 1


    We're going backwards!


    There is nothing political about this email.

    It simply points out very probable changes that are in our future.



    CHANGES ARE COMING ----

    1. The Post Office. Get ready to imagine a world without the post office. They are so deeply in financial trouble that there is probably no way to sustain it long term. Email, Fed Ex, and UPS have just about wiped out the minimum revenue needed to keep the post office alive. Most of your mail every day is junk mail and bills.

    2. The Check. Britain is already laying the groundwork to do away with checks by 2018. It costs the financial system billions of dollars a year to process checks. Plastic cards and online transactions will lead to the eventual demise of the check. This plays right into the death of the post office. If you never paid your bills by mail and never received them by mail, the post office would absolutely go out of business.

    3. The Newspaper. The younger generation simply doesn't read the newspaper. They certainly don't subscribe to a daily delivered print edition. That may go the way of the milkman and the laundry man. As for reading the paper online, get ready to pay for it. The rise in mobile Internet devices and e-readers has caused all the newspaper and magazine publishers to form an alliance. They have met with Apple, Amazon, and the major cell phone companies to develop a model for paid subscription services.

    4. The Book. You say you will never give up the physical book that you hold in your hand and turn the literal pages. I said the same thing about downloading music fromiTunes. I wanted my hard copy CD. But I quickly changed my mind when I discovered that I could get albums for half the price without ever leaving home to get the latest music. The same thing will happen with books. You can browse a bookstore online and even read a preview chapter before you buy. And the price is less than half that of a real book. And think of the convenience! Once you start flicking your fingers on the screen instead of the book, you find that you are lost in the story, can't wait to see what happens next, and you forget that you're holding a gadget instead of a book.

    5. The Land Line Telephone. Unless you have a large family and make a lot of local calls, you don't need it anymore. Most people keep it simply because they've always had it. But you are paying double charges for that extra service. All the cell phone companies will let you call customers using the same cell provider for no charge against your minutes

    6. Music. This is one of the saddest parts of the change story. The music industry is dying a slow death. Not just because of illegal downloading. It's the lack of innovative new music being given a chance to get to the people who would like to hear it. Greed and corruption is the problem. The record labels and the radio conglomerates are simply self-destructing. Over 40% of the music purchased today is "catalog items," meaning traditional music that the public is familiar with. Older established artists. This is also true on the live concert circuit. To explore this fascinating and disturbing topic further, check out the book, "Appetite for Self-Destruction" by Steve Knopper, and the video documentary, "Before the Music Dies."

    7. Television. Revenues to the networks are down dramatically. Not just because of the economy. People are watching TV and movies streamed from their computers. And they're playing games and doing lots of other things that take up the time that used to be spent watching TV. Prime time shows have degenerated down to lower than the lowest common denominator. Cable rates are skyrocketing and commercials run about every 4 minutes and 30 seconds. I say good riddance to most of it. It's time for the cable companies to be put out of our misery. Let the people choose what they want to watch online and through Netflix.

    8. The "Things" That You Own. Many of the very possessions that we used to own are still in our lives, but we may not actually own them in the future. They may simply reside in "the cloud." Today your computer has a hard drive and you store your pictures, music, movies, and documents. Your software is on a CD or DVD, and you can always re-install it if need be. But all of that is changing. Apple, Microsoft, and Google are all finishing up their latest "cloud services." That means that when you turn on a computer, the Internet will be built into the operating system. So, Windows, Google, and the Mac OS will be tied straight into the Internet. If you click an icon, it will open something in the Internet cloud. If you save something, it will be saved to the cloud. And you may pay a monthly subscription fee to the cloud provider.

    In this virtual world, you can access your music or your books, or your whatever from any laptop or handheld device. That's the good news. But, will you actually own any of this "stuff" or will it all be able to disappear at any moment in a big "Poof?" Will most of the things in our lives be disposable and whimsical? It makes you want to run to the closet and pull out that photo album, grab a book from the shelf, or open up a CD case and pull out the insert.



    9. Privacy. If there ever was a concept that we can look back on nostalgically, it would be privacy. That's gone. It's been gone for a long time anyway. There are cameras on the street, in most of the buildings, and even built into your computer and cell phone. But you can be sure that 24/7, "They" know who you are and where you are, right down to the GPS coordinates, and the Google Street View. If you buy something, your habit is put into a zillion profiles, and your ads will change to reflect those habits. And "They" will try to get you to buy something else. Again and again.

    All we will have that can't be changed are Memories.
     
  2. arjunki

    arjunki Beaverton Active Member

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    Part 2

    19 Facts About The Deindustrialization Of America That Will Blow Your Mind - see below

    The United States is rapidly becoming the very first "post-industrial" nation on the globe. All great economic empires eventually become fat and lazy and squander the great wealth that their forefathers have left them, but the pace at which America is accomplishing this is absolutely amazing. It was America that was at the forefront of the industrial revolution. It was America that showed the world how to mass produce everything from automobiles to televisions to airplanes. It was the great American manufacturing base that crushed Germany and Japan in World War II.

    But now we are witnessing the deindustrialization of America. Tens of thousands of factories have left the United States in the past decade alone. Millions upon millions of manufacturing jobs have been lost in the same time period. The United States has become a nation that consumes everything in sight and yet produces increasingly little. Do you know what our biggest export is today? Waste paper. Yes, trash is the number one thing that we ship out to the rest of the world as we voraciously blow our money on whatever the rest of the world wants to sell to us. The United States has become bloated and spoiled and our economy is now just a shadow of what it once was. Once upon a time America could literally out produce the rest of the world combined. Today that is no longer true, but Americans sure do consume more than anyone else in the world. If the deindustrialization of America continues at this current pace, what possible kind of a future are we going to be leaving to our children?

    Any great nation throughout history has been great at making things. So if the United States continues to allow its manufacturing base to erode at a staggering pace how in the world can the U.S. continue to consider itself to be a great nation? We have created the biggest debt bubble in the history of the world in an effort to maintain a very high standard of living, but the current state of affairs is not anywhere close to sustainable. Every single month America goes into more debt and every single month America gets poorer.

    So what happens when the debt bubble pops?


    The deindustrialization of the United States should be a top concern for every man, woman and child in the country. But sadly, most Americans do not have any idea what is going on around them.

    For people like that, take this article and print it out and hand it to them. Perhaps what they will read below will shock them badly enough to awaken them from their slumber.

    The following are 19 facts about the deindustrialization of America that will blow your mind....

    #1 The United States has lost approximately 42,400 factories since 2001. About 75 percent of those factories employed over 500 people when they were still in operation.

    #2 Dell Inc., one of America's largest manufacturers of computers, has announced plans to dramatically expand its operations in China with an investment of over $100 billion over the next decade.

    #3 Dell has announced that it will be closing its last large U.S. manufacturing facility in Winston-Salem, North Carolina in November. Approximately 900 jobs will be lost.

    #4 In 2008, 1.2 billion cell phones were sold worldwide. So how many of them were manufactured inside the United States? Zero.

    #5 According to a new study conducted by the Economic Policy Institute, if the U.S. trade deficit with China continues to increase at its current rate, the U.S. economy will lose over half a million jobs this year alone.

    #6 As of the end of July, the U.S. trade deficit with China had risen 18 percent compared to the same time period a year ago.

    #7 The United States has lost a total of about 5.5 million manufacturing jobs since October 2000.

    #8 According to Tax Notes, between 1999 and 2008 employment at the foreign affiliates of U.S. parent companies increased an astounding 30 percent to 10.1 million. During that exact same time period, U.S. employment at American multinational corporations declined 8 percent to 21.1 million.

    #9 In 1959, manufacturing represented 28 percent of U.S. economic output. In 2008, it represented 11.5 percent.

    #10 Ford Motor Company recently announced the closure of a factory that produces the Ford Ranger in St. Paul, Minnesota. Approximately 750 good paying middle class jobs are going to be lost because making Ford Rangers in Minnesota does not fit in with Ford's new "global" manufacturing strategy.

    #11 As of the end of 2009, less than 12 million Americans worked in manufacturing. The last time less than 12 million Americans were employed in manufacturing was in 1941.

    #12 In the United States today, consumption accounts for 70 percent of GDP. Of this 70 percent, over half is spent on services.

    #13 The United States has lost a whopping 32 percent of its manufacturing jobs since the year 2000.

    #14 In 2001, the United States ranked fourth in the world in per capita broadband Internet use. Today it ranks 15th.

    #15 Manufacturing employment in the U.S. computer industry is actually lower in 2010 than it was in 1975.

    #16 Printed circuit boards are used in tens of thousands of different products. Asia now produces 84 percent of them worldwide.

    #17 The United States spends approximately $3.90 on Chinese goods for every $1 that the Chinese spend on goods from the United States.

    #18 One prominent economist is projecting that the Chinese economy will be three times larger than the U.S. economy by the year 2040.

    #19 The U.S. Census Bureau says that 43.6 million Americans are now living in poverty and according to them that is the highest number of poor Americans in the 51 years that records have been kept.

    So how many tens of thousands more factories do we need to lose before we do something about it?

    How many millions more Americans are going to become unemployed before we all admit that we have a very, very serious problem on our hands?

    How many more trillions of dollars are going to leave the country before we realize that we are losing wealth at a pace that is killing our economy?

    How many once great manufacturing cities are going to become rotting war zones like Detroit before we understand that we are committing national economic suicide?

    The deindustrialization of America is a national crisis. It needs to be treated like one.

    If you disagree with this article, I have a direct challenge for you. If anyone can explain how a deindustrialized America has any kind of viable economic future, please do so below in the comments section.

    America is in deep, deep trouble folks. It is time to wake up
     
  3. Just Jim

    Just Jim Well-Known Member

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    Yep, Soros's one world socialist type of government is scary isn't it?

    jj
     
  4. PlayboyPenguin

    PlayboyPenguin Pacific Northwest Well-Known Member 2016 Volunteer

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    That does not really strike me as a backwards movement in society. It seems more like an old man's grumblings. Was it a a move backwards when horse and buggy were replaced by the automobile? Was it a move backwards when airlines surpassed trains as the primary mode of long distance travel? Was it a step backwards when TV replaced radio as the primary source of family entertainment? And griping about how bad music is today? C'mon...every generation does that.

    As for the economic stuff, industry changes. I bet a whole lot less people are employed as blacksmiths now than there were at the turn of the last century. I also bet a lot less people are employed horse sweeps now that cars are on the roads and not horses.

    As for bringing in cheap Chinese imports, blame your politicians that allow corporations to set policy. They are the ones profiting from such things. When you see WalMart or Target make a contribution to a politician you might want to look into them before voting for them. Also, blame the people who want to save a buck and do not care how they do it. How much stuff in WalMart is made in the USA? How many of you shop there?
     
  5. Just Jim

    Just Jim Well-Known Member

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    You may consider it an old mans grumbleings or you may consider it concern for the future of our kids. If you believe all this change is a positive for your kid and it's the way you want him to live then ask yourself if you have a choice to make it any different anyway.

    jj
     
  6. Jamie6.5

    Jamie6.5 Western OR Well-Known Member

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    One of the reasons we can't climb out of an economic downturn these days is the lack of natural resource production and manufacturing.
    Our industries create few "tangible goods" these days. Goods that retain their value during slow economic times. Goods that can be warehoused until markets recover etc.

    And how many here still love the admin <Y2K that created the trade and economic climate that fostered this manufacturing exodus?
    In late '99-2001 I worked for an economist. The company tracked shifts in employment and industry, on a current and historical basis, for use in predicting trends.
    The writing was on the wall then.
    It may very well spell our doom now.

    And PP? You are citing manufacturing substitutions. The article above documents wholesale abandonment of an industry in general.
     
  7. Just Jim

    Just Jim Well-Known Member

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    Until people quit buying Chinese goods there will be no jobs and the country will lose it's middle class.

    jj
     
  8. Martini_Up

    Martini_Up NW USA Well-Known Member

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    You won't even notice if you're Amish.
     
  9. PlayboyPenguin

    PlayboyPenguin Pacific Northwest Well-Known Member 2016 Volunteer

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    I have no problem with my kids not receiving paper junk mail everyday. I have no problem with my kids receiving entertainment from sources other than national broadcast television, I have no problem with my kids reading virtual news papers instead of print ones. I have no problem with my kids listening to whatever type of music is popular at the time. I have no problem with my kid producing computer processors instead of working in a factory making plowshares. I have no problem with my kid building wind or water turbines instead of building an oil refinery.
     
  10. Just Jim

    Just Jim Well-Known Member

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    I doubt alot of your dreams will be reality but hope it all works out for you. Gonna be interesting when you have to live what you just said. Wonder how you are gonna make it all happen without huge amounts of pollution? Which is worse, batteries and the pollution they will produce as it takes millions of them in your world or oil?

    Your kids are going to love the sound of windmills day and night especially when they begin to wear out. Your gonna love the fees to remove your old batteries and bring in new. You are gonna love the way your kid is educated against your guns on the new broadcast. Yep, progress LOL

    jj



    jj
     
  11. PlayboyPenguin

    PlayboyPenguin Pacific Northwest Well-Known Member 2016 Volunteer

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    Don't tell me you are one of those people that complains about advancing technologies and them pretends that technology is stagnant. You do realize that battery technology has already increased by a factor of 10-20x efficiency in just he past few years. Same with solar technology. Why would someone cling to a finite source of energy like oil instead of striving to produce beter ways of producing alternative energy?

    If you used that mindset for everything we would never advance far. People would have never had computers because they were expensive to make and not very powerful. People would have never developed air travel because the first planes were cumbersome and had little range.
     
  12. keystir

    keystir Hillsboro, OR Active Member

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    That son of a bubblegum George Soros.:paranoid:

    It's a race to the bottom that we have been on for some time now. When we handed the keys to the car over to the huge monstrosities that are big multi-national business we let them determine the fate of our country and took it out of the hands of the great hard working American citizen. Unchecked Greed and wealth became the benchmark for success and to even consider anything else is complete allegiance to Adolf Hitler. The top 2% have convinced us that the best way to handle our money is to give it all to them and they will determine the best use for it. (Which is apparently for them to put in their bank accounts and not re-invest back into America.)The idea that spewing pollution onto our planet is GOOD for us because it helps business make more money. Job security, a living wage, and healthcare are demonized by our own fellow Americans to the point where solving the problem is no longer the solution but merely taking those things away from the ones who have fought for it is now the norm. Providing a safety net for the old, sick, and injured somehow puts you on the same playing field with Stalin, Hitler, and Mao. We've gone from the world's largest exporter of quality American made manufacturing goods to the largest importer of cheap chinese garbage in a mere 30 years.

    It's time to take our country back, the top 2% along with the huge multi-national corporations have had it long enough. I'm all for the rich getting richer. We're all pigs, but I won't stand by while some of us turn to hogs. Wealth in the Country needs to be earned the old fashion way, through the hardwork, sweat, and determination of the American worker not at their expense.
     
  13. VW_Factor

    VW_Factor Woodburn Oregon Active Member

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    This is pretty much why our "Industry" has left the US. Cheaper goods..

    That, and when a third party factory offers up to a US company that their "workers" can be hired 20 or 30 to 1 US worker (Auto Union anyone?) its entirely more cost effective to do so..

    Its not all a fault of a union or anything. Some unions just wouldn't adjust for the change from US economy to global economy.

    Partial blame to our government, however.. There wasn't much really that could be done for the fact that workers in China or Thailand will work 14 hour days slave labor (or even worse kids in a sweat shop building Nike shoes) for pennies on the dollar.

    When brand loyalty and USA built with pride went out the window with our WalMarts, etc... Kinda hosed us.

    Print.. Thats a whole other story. There are all sorts of ways a newspaper or magazine can adjust to the online world, yet they chose to ignore it for too long. They'll never be able to charge money for their "news" either in an online world. They need more to offer than simply articles.

    Music.. Again, another "industry" that has recycled crap music for the past 15 years and expect to still make money on it. I still go buy a CD when there is good music I'll listen too. When I get it home, I have to break the DRM on it, so I can put it on my phone and in my car where I can listen to it whenever and whenever without lugging my CD wallet or case around (Good job record labels for punishing the paying consumer). They point blame at the internet because they don't understand how to click around MSN.com let alone how to download music. So they choose to ignore it. See where that got them today? Not our fault at all. They only have themselves to blame here.
     
  14. Trlsmn

    Trlsmn In Utero (Portland) Well-Known Member

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    I'm fine with that.


    I'm fine with that, I haven't written a paper check in over 5 years.


    I'm fine with that, it's day old news that I already read extensively about the day before

    As a person who reads paperback fiction every night I seriously doubt that the end of the paper novel is here yet but who knows what the future brings.

    I'm fine with that

    I'm fine with that, with the onset of the disease known as autotune there is no talent, some could argue that the music industry has been putting out crap a lot long than filesharing has been around. The fact is the music industry has been sucking the life out of musicians for the past 100 years just because the bankers can't make any money leaching of the talent off others doesn't mean the music industry is in decline from the perspective of the artist. In the future of music will be local live shows just as it has always been so that's a wash.

    Internet delivered on demand content is the future, as with music it is the big money that will lose as the time comes when anyone can deliver content so the bankers losing money doesn't equal a loss of content.

    As with leasing or buying a car it really comes down to what will give you the most for your buck when we speak of intangible things.


    This is this real problem we need to worry about
     
  15. Just Jim

    Just Jim Well-Known Member

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    Well they increased in effeciency but what have they done to rid ourselves of them when they are no good? Haveing new tech is fine if it blends with life in such a manner that it doesn't create more problems.

    Useing you guys anology then why do we need air travel now that we have computors? If resources are finite then why are you burning them now? Got to be a point that people think past what they are doing and think about the effect it has on society.

    jj

    edited to add

    Yours is the thinking that gave us plastic guns and wallmart. While both are interesting, do they help or harm Ameica?
     
  16. keystir

    keystir Hillsboro, OR Active Member

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    As a solutions based person who already made their rant I will provide a starting point if you wish start bringing America back: Buy American! Start with your firearms. Here's a link to help get you started.

    Guns Made in the USA

    Sorry glock guys, They didn't make the list. Just buy Ruger, and look on the bright side you won't need to spend anymore time dragging your guns behind your truck for 100's of miles or submerging them in tubs of your own waste for 2 years to convince us of their quality. :thumbup:
     
  17. PlayboyPenguin

    PlayboyPenguin Pacific Northwest Well-Known Member 2016 Volunteer

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    I do not see the staged torture tests as a way to demonstrate quality. I see them as a means to justify their purchase. To very different things. I do not feel the need to justify a purchase of an American made product. Even if I buy from a foreign owned company I try to buy products they make here. That way the hourly wage goes into a workers pocket. I do not care if the profit goes into a billionaire American's foreign account or a billionaire foreigner's foreign account. :)
     
  18. Blue Devil PA

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    Quote:
    1. The Post Office.

    In the past I have lived for several years in a number of countries that had "iffy" postal service.
    -Having your packages opened (routinely) before delivery and
    -items removed (not so routinely, but often),
    -a tax levied on the items delivered and
    -at least a 20-30% non delivery rate of letters and parcels

    We in the US are extremely lucky to have a dependable, secure way to conduct business. There are many places in the world where posting a letter is a gamble with very poor odds, I value our system.

    As a 40ish person I am comfortable with new technology, but see the benefit of using the old as a viable alternative as long as it does not impede progress. All technology fails, it is just a matter of timing and degrees.
     
  19. PlayboyPenguin

    PlayboyPenguin Pacific Northwest Well-Known Member 2016 Volunteer

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    Surely you are not suggesting that the way to deal with foreign imports is to slash American wages by a factor of twenty? If you slashed the average UAW salary by even half that (a factor of 10) they would be working for an average of $3.20/hr.
     
  20. keystir

    keystir Hillsboro, OR Active Member

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    This was more tongue in cheek statement to try to bring the conversation somewhat back to firearms before this thread gets deleted. My point is more towards the corporations that used to make quality goods here but shipped the manufacturing overseas, laid off the American worker who was then forced to buy the products which are now made much more cheaper and of much lower quality because they lost their jobs and can't afford anything else while the corporation who did this is making hand over fist and getting tax breaks to boot while spending millions to convince us that the tax breaks are really affecting small business and not them. I don't care if you want to buy a glock, just know that millions of years from know when the next civilization is scouring through are records, watching youtube and wondering why someone stuck a pistol in the stomach of a cow for a year then surgically removed it to see if it would still work the only firearms that will still be around will be Ruger's.