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CCSO Should be Ashamed of This Guy,

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by HahnsXD, Apr 18, 2010.

  1. HahnsXD

    HahnsXD Battle Ground WA Active Member

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    I had an unpleasant encounter with a LEO that straight up lied to me face today. I'm not cop bashing, I'm just not too happy with this particular experience.

    At about 5PM today I was cruising home from a friends house, cruising along this long open road we call "China Ditch road" as I approach this stop sign, I get a blip of K band Radar from my Radar detector (Escort 8500 X50 for those who want to know) , as I stop at the stop sign I see an undercover Expedition to the left approaching the intersection about 100-200 yards away. So I stop then continue along China Ditch, he reaches the intersection and turns in behind me, speed limit's 50, I'm cruising 53-54, GPS verified. He starts riding my ***, then lights me up, I pull off on a small private road. He approaches my window and asks for my drivers license, at the same time I hand him my CPL and inform him I am carrying. He asks where and I tell him IWB 4:00, but surprisingly this has nothing to do about me carrying, he wasn't concerned with that. Our pleasant conversation went a little like this.


    Cop: Do you know the speed limit on this road?

    Me: 50.

    Cop: Do you know how fast you were going?

    Me.: 54.

    Cop: I clocked you doing 66MPH in the 13300 block of 172 Ave

    Me: Well I wasn't, to respectfully disagree, I was doing 54, it was right there on my GPS.

    At this point I was getting agitated and was probably more aggressive than I should have been.

    Cop: Well I clocked you doing 66MPH in the 13300 Block of 172nd Ave!

    Me: You pulled out behind me, I have a radar detector, I know you're a cop, do you think I would do 16+ PSL in front of you?

    And here's where his story starts to fall apart.

    Cop: That's nice, but I'm using LIDAR. (Laser for those who don't know)

    Me: LIDAR doesn't work from a moving vehicle!

    Cop: I was stopped when I clocked you!

    Me: No you weren't, you've been behind me since 119th and you're trying to tell me you lasered me at the 133rd block?!?!

    Cop: Sit tight, I'll be right back

    So this guy runs back to his rig, runs my record, finds it to be absolutely 100% squeaky clean and knows I've busted his lying ***. Meanwhile while he's sitting in his rig running my info, some POS ricer actually does go flying by actually doing this 66MPH fairly tale land speed he got me at.

    He comes back out to my truck.

    Cop: Look, I do this everyday, this is my job, I don't know what sh!t you think you know, but this is my job. I normally only cut breaks till 13-14+ PSL but I'm going to let you off with a warning and save you from a $147 ticket. Have a nice day.

    Me: Thank you

    This guy knows I busted his lame story and would have smoked him in court, that's the only reason he let me off with a warning, If I knew jack about Radar/laser like 99% of everyone else, I would have gotten a bogus ticket. I actually managed to win on the side of the road instead of having to go to court.

    I have total respect for police and have usually had pleasant experiences with LEOs but this guy truly deserves the title of a filthy barnyard animal. Note to self, stay well away from the A-hole Clark County Sheriff Deputy in the Silver Undercover Expedition. Sorry this is my first bad LEO encounter and I'm fuming, I guess I should just be happy I don't have a ticket to fight right now.


    And if he wanted to go "fishing" why didn't he just tell me he stopped me for 4+ PSL?

    Here's a map of what went down.

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  2. Trlsmn

    Trlsmn In Utero (Portland) Well-Known Member

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    Turn in a complaint explaining in detail to the sheriffs office and any citizens review board.
     
  3. HahnsXD

    HahnsXD Battle Ground WA Active Member

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    I've been strongly considering a formal complaint, I didn't get his name and it was only a verbal warning, how would I go about this?
    Thanks.
     
  4. Trlsmn

    Trlsmn In Utero (Portland) Well-Known Member

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    I'm not really sure how to do it without his name. You could always call the sheriffs office and ask who it was at that location and time.
     
  5. HahnsXD

    HahnsXD Battle Ground WA Active Member

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    Well I'm int he process of filing a complaint, I contacted CRESA, the dispatcher found my traffic stop, she didn't tell me the officer's name, but said she'd give him my phone number and said she'd have him contact me. So far both CCSO and CRESA thinks I'm nuts for filing a complaint since I didn't get a ticket. It's about the principal of the matter, I have a perfect driving record, I'm honest and I sure as **** don't appreciate being talked to like I'm stupid, lied to and having my time wasted by a cop on a powertrip, his superior(s) needs to be aware of this.

    I pulled the Data off my GPS and it clearly shows I was between 50-55 when he stopped me, if you see the blue section with the little "nub" on the left, that is the small private road I pulled off on when he stopped me. Sorry this pic is a little big.
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  6. Ranb

    Ranb Belfair, WA Active Member

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    You made a mistake when you confessed to breaking the law (speeding). It is all he said you said as far as the stuff that went down after the traffic stop. It does suck to be treated that way though. I would be pleasantly surprised to hear if you get any satisfaction in the end. Good luck.

    Ranb
     
  7. HahnsXD

    HahnsXD Battle Ground WA Active Member

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    I'm really not all that concerned to confessing I was going 4MPH over the limit, he had the proof right on his radar, does me no good to lie to him. I'm not sure what his motivation was to lie about my speed by 11MPH though. I think I'm gonna see if I can get dash cam footage if it exists through FOIA....
     
  8. longcolt

    longcolt Zephyrhills, FL Active Member

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    Just my humble opinion but I think I would count my blessings and drink a stiff scotch and forget all about it.

    Mess with the blue line and sometimes it can come back to bite you in the butt in a big way. They all do talk you know and can and do have a lot of time to spend on finding ways to trail you like a hound dog.:(
     
  9. ZachS

    ZachS Eugene/PDX Active Member

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    I think the OP should be commended for standing up for his rights. Maybe this officer will think twice next time he wants to break the law.
     
  10. dave

    dave Independence Member

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    I think this deputy messed with a very well organized and honorable citizen. Youve got excellent GPS proof of your route with a speed chart. And you have great knowledge of the Lazer system in use. I dont think much will become of disciplinary action on the deputies behalf. But perhaps this incident being documented will help another great citizen in the future.

    Good luck with your endeavor and keep updating the thread.
    This is the kind of act that goes unnoticed and should not be tolerated.
     
  11. Buddymack

    Buddymack Cougar/Ariel Washington Member

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    I am not impressed with the locals here not in Vancouver and not in Oregon, I realize there are exceptions to every rule but I had a spotless traffic record until I moved here, these guys stop you when you drift slightly over the speed limit and the tickets are horrendous...in Vancouver I was presenting the same argument it simply wasn't possible I think I bumped the throttle slightly to get over to the right lane because he had pulled someone over to the middle and I was actually looking out for his safety..
    to make a long story short he didn't show up to traffic court but he wrote an affidavit which the judge said was same as his presence ...really?
    I am not a happy camper with the local law government and now it goes all the way to the top in this nation..

    We the people ????
     
  12. Buddymack

    Buddymack Cougar/Ariel Washington Member

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    No matter what police say how accurate their so called laser are they are wrong on the absolute dependability of them, they are accurate in what they see the question is if it was actually challenged it we don't know always what is seen..
    I work with lasers we use them in calibrating very high tech equipment but you have to point them in various ways to get cal and you usually have to recal while using them!
    the problem is its about money, they know you and I are limited in money they have both money and power ....something they should not have as much of either.
     
  13. pdxjohann

    pdxjohann Portland near Tigard Member

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    Good luck. And Good job, if you have the time and knowledge.
     
  14. NoOne

    NoOne Puget Sound Active Member

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    Buddymack,

    The issue with the officer filing an affidavit with the court is that it does not allow you to "confront witnesses against you" as our constitution allows.. Any court knows (or should) know that.

    If the court were to allow the officer to "appear" via affidavit, I seriously doubt the court would also allow you to "appear" via your own affidavit.

    I had a similar experience with a ticket near Ft. Lewis. About 5 cars got pulled over, and I was one of them. The officer wrote down the wrong vehicle for me...I was driving an SUV, and he had me driving a sedan of a different make, model, and color, and the license plate was wrong. I called the court, and the clerk said that the judge would simply allow the officer to ammend his citation... As I could see where it was heading, I decided that I would waste a vacation day going to court only to loose anyhow, so I just paid the bail. I was speeding anyhow, but it irritated me that the officer's incompetence was enabled.

    I was a law enforcement officer for nearly 25 years, and always believed that fair is fair...if I screwed up, the other side deserved to win. It just irritated me that not everyone plays fair.