Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by rick benjamin, Dec 30, 2014.
Toddler triggered gun in purse, kills woman
Very derogatory report IMHO.
What I should have added was this comment:
"It is not clear what kind of handgun she was packing when the incident occurred."
IDK, maybe it's me being cynical.
From what I read, in that link, it sounds like another case of stupid gun owner... IMHO, ~CC~ Means hyper vigilant on where and how that gun is, 24/7/365.... Had that been in Place, child's hand Should not have been Able (2 year old Child????) to Get into the Purse, let alone, the Gun Area of the Purse.
while I am not in Favor, of overstretched rules to receive a Concealed Carry Permit, however the State names that subject... In fact, I would rather there be Zero ~rules/laws/regulations ~ upon Concealed Carry itself, I believe that anyone who is going to do that, should go through a Standardized TEST, to show all needed to prevent just an accident.
The RADIO NEWS just reported on this... Fairly flat, unbiased reporting.
My question would start with how could a 2year old Pull a Trigger? A CC Weapon is chosen for safely providing protection against attack.
I will say the Qualifier Word there is Safely
If her trigger pull is so light, that a two year old can pull the trigger, then it stands to reason, that the Containment System, AKA "Holster" have a Trigger fully covered, and weapon strapped into the holster!!!
Not much more complicated than that.
The woman killed herself, with Stupidity... And it makes the Real gun users look bad, by proxy of A gun is a gun is a gun....
I have the feeling that her purse wasn't on her person and it was probably sitting open in the cart with the kid (see that all the time).
Just more support for not carrying a weapon in the purse. Any woman who has had appropriate CC and tactical training understands that quite well. My wife and daughter carries quite well on their persons, and would never have it in her purse.
This is a very sad story, and an unfortunate reminder that if you're going to carry, it's your responsibility to keep the gun under control at all times. I've not been a fan of these gun purses, nor am I a fan of gun bags such as back packs and briefcases. It seems far more likely that it could be stolen, lost or otherwise separated from the gun owner. I understand it's not practical or allowable for some folks to carry a gun on their person, but I would say it should be a last resort to use these other methods. If it's on you, it's far more likely to remain out of sight, more likely to remain under your control, and more likely to be readily available if you need it.
Unfortunately stories like these, while tragic, also serve as fodder for the anti-gunners. No doubt they'll make a point of doing so with this one as well.
Very tragic; tough for some women to carry unless in their purse, though. They need to be aware of the location of their weapon 24/7 regardless.
Not to make light of it, but had she survived the gunshot, she probably would have been prosecuted for an illegal transfer under I-594.
The anti's are going to eat it up. I've been reading the comments on several news sites; I had to quit reading, as my blood pressure was climbing.
They need to decide if they want to be safe and protected, or they are willing to compromise that for the sake of style. My daughter is a 31 year old professional /administrative level LEO. She dresses very stylish and manages to very effectively conceal a Kel Tec 9mm and an extra magazine on her person. My DIL is a management level administrator and carries a SW Bodyguard every day, usually in an ankle holster or in a small of the back holster. They would no more be disconnected from their weapon for any reason. You would never guess these blondies were carrying a weapon, and that is the way they want it.
Coincidentally, I just got my wife a Diamondback DB9 today for that reason - several hours before I heard this news. I've never liked the purse carry, so the G26 got replaced with something even more concealable.
This is why off the body carry is a bad idea if you dont ALWAYS maintain situational awareness.
That and ladies think they can just rummage aroubd in that XXL purse with all that other junk and be able to present her firearm..
Oh you say you have a special zipper pocket in that purse?
Yes, just ask the bad guy to hold on just a few seconds while you delicatly unzip the pocket, pull out your firearm and then present it.. Sheeeesh..
This type of common sense just isnt common among folks who just "dabble" with firearms.. You can have hundreds of hours of training under your belt
(or in your purse) but if you dont actively live a defensive and situationally aware lifestyle.. its all worthless.
I did not read everyone's comments...
But I'll just point out that probably a few million women carry guns in their purses regularly, and despite this is extremely rare occurrence.
The flashbang is one of the best: http://bestholstersforwomen.com/
Works for all except the most and least endowed.
So she pulls her shirt up to get to her gun in a bra holster? I can see that going badly.
<- Why there aren't any school shootings in Israel!
Teacher with long gun slung over her shoulder!!!
Was she "carrying" a Glock? The trigger "safety" is the reason I don't even want to own one. Even LEO's have ND's with them.
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Haha, yes but that isnt saying much.
Oh no another person that can't handle a firearm properly so they have to talk down a glock.
Sheez man,I'm a klutz and have never had a ND with any of the 5 or more glocks I have carried
OK on topic.
I do not like purse carry at all. Leave it for a moment and we see what can happen
It is NOT any harder for a woman to carry than a man.WAY TOO many different carry methods for women now.Or they could alter their apparel to carry easier.
She was in ID so the 594 joke was,well just bad taste
If wearing a flash bang I would guess a woman would wear a skirt and a blouse or sweater so they didn't have to show their knickers
My second wife told me she had bought a glock.We weren't married yet.
Where is it? In my purse. Well it was at the bottom and it was kinda pink from makeup.
I basically told her what ZA was saying,hold on there... I have a gun here... some place
Told her she'd be dead before she found the gun.
This was a bad deal all around. She had probably had the toddler at range times,so it would et used to being around the normal everyday life of guns.Apparently the kid was too quick a learner.
Sorry for all 4 kids of her that witnessed it
I carry a glock 27.
With an empty chamber.
That's the first thing I asked my brother when he told me about this.
"Was it a Glock?"
Not Glock bashing - that's what first came to mind when I wondered what gun a toddler could fire easily. A Glock "cocked" (partially cocked - whatever) and not "locked" (no other safeties besides the one on the trigger). I've never been comfortable carrying a Glock in Conditon 1 (0?).
That said - and back on topic - this was more negligence than an accident. Easily preventable no matter what kind of pistol she had.
Condition 3 - Israeli Method. I did the same when I carried my G19 for a short time.
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