Caseless Ammo ?

[RicInOR]

Weapons: The Case For Caseless

The U.S. Marine Corps and U.S. Army agree they may have finally found a caseless ammunition design that will work reliably in combat and be much (37 percent) lighter than conventional 5.56mm ammo.

The LSAT machine-gun weighs 4.27 kg (9.4 pounds) compared to 8 kg for the current M249. Moreover, the ammo for the new machine-gun is 37 percent lighter as well. Thus the new machine-gun, with 1,000 rounds of ammo, weighs 13.9 kg (30.6 pounds), which is 40 percent less than an M249 with a thousand rounds. Moreover, the new ammo takes up twelve percent less space.

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[jlhopwo]

When I hear caseless ammo, I always think about that HK combat rifle prototype from the... late 80's? /me searches wikipedia... Heckler & Koch G11 - Wikipedia.

 

[jlhopwo]

wow, I was just reading the wikipedia page for the HK G11, and saw this:

Future development[edit]
By 2004, the technology developed for the G11 was licensed for the Lightweight Small Arms Technologies project,[14] the current project of which is a light machine gun prototype for the US Army. The design is intended to be able to proceed with either a cased cartridge using a composite case or a caseless ammunition design developed from the G11. Both ammunition designs are telescoped ammunition like that used by the G11, however the current ammunition design has a plastic case in contrast to the fully caseless G11 ammunition. The design, like the G11, uses a rotating chamber, but rotating about the longitudinal axis of the weapon.

 

[Capn Jack]

Caseless Ammo.
That's been tried.
I'll wait for Andy to check in on this one...

 

[thorborg]

Caseless Ammo.
That's been tried.
I'll wait for Andy to check in on this one...

yes, but with a battery, and a lock time faster than you can pull the trigger?

 

[Flopsweat]

More background in this article from 2015:
Meet LSAT, the US Army's newest machine gun

 

[P7M13]

Interesting. Based on a historical perspective, we will sell it to anyone, it will wind up in the hands of our enemies, to be used against us in guerilla warfare or jihad.

 

[Xaevian]

My favorite caseless ammo came in 120mm, you had a choice of "HEAT" or "APFSDS" flavor, and it could really ruin someone's day. Smile, wait for flash.

 

[Flopsweat]

My favorite caseless ammo came in 120mm, you had a choice of "HEAT" or "APFSDS" flavor, and it could really ruin someone's day. Smile, wait for flash.

And stand back about 100 yards?

 

[P7M13]

And stand back about 100 yards?

Nope, bend over and KYAGB....

 

[Flopsweat]

Nope, bend over and KYAGB....

 

[WAYNO]

In the sixties and seventies, the Daisy VL Rifle was cutting edge technology. Imagine, caseless ammunition available to the public! Then it just went away...

The rifle was basically an airgun. Instead of a pellet, this bullet with the attached propellant was placed in the chamber. The propellant was ignited when the charge of air hit the round.

 

[Andy54Hawken]

Did someone say caseless?
Andy

 

[Certaindeaf]

O snap.
Bowie knives at eleven.
lol

 

[Andy54Hawken]

Bowie Knives .... Oh yeah!
Andy

 

[Andy54Hawken]

Got some of these too...
Andy

 

[Pops1911]

Nice powder horn Andy. Buffalo?

 

[Andy54Hawken]

Thanks Pop1911 ... Yep its Buffalo ...with a braintan elk hide pouch both made by me...
Andy

 

[P7M13]

"Paper Patching, state of the art 1870's Africa." >> to 2:02

 

[Pops1911]

Thanks Pop1911 ... Yep its Buffalo ...with a braintan elk hide pouch both made by me...
Andy

Yep. I could see that right off. +1