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The Gun is Civilization
by Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret)

Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that's it.

In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.

When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force.

The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gang banger, and a single guy on equal footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender.

There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we'd be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a [armed] mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger's potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat--it has no validity when most of a mugger's potential marks are armed.

People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that's the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.

Then there's the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser. People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don't constitute lethal force watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level.

The gun is the only weapon that's as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply wouldn't work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn't both lethal and easily employable.

When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation... and that's why carrying a gun is a civilized act.

By Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret)
 
The Gun is Civilization
by Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret)

Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that's it.

In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.

When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force.

The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gang banger, and a single guy on equal footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender.

There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we'd be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a [armed] mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger's potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat--it has no validity when most of a mugger's potential marks are armed.

People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that's the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.

Then there's the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser. People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don't constitute lethal force watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level.

The gun is the only weapon that's as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply wouldn't work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn't both lethal and easily employable.

When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation... and that's why carrying a gun is a civilized act.

By Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret)

Great letter JJ! I'm trying this logic on my left of center friends. Its funny how they know i carry and tell me they feel safe with me because they know me. But will not take the next step and put themselves in a position to protect themselves.

To be continued for sure.

Lefty.
 
Great letter JJ! I'm trying this logic on my left of center friends. Its funny how they know i carry and tell me they feel safe with me because they know me. But will not take the next step and put themselves in a position to protect themselves.

To be continued for sure.

Lefty.

That's because you provide them personal security without any of the actual responsibility.
 
I agree with about 5% of what he is saying. If I was out on a walk and some guy pulled out a knife and told me to "give me your wallet" I would just give it to him. A little money and having the hassle of getting a new drivers license and canceling all my credit cards is a lot better than having to explain to a judge why I pulled my gun out when I was being robed with a knife.

but anything other that that He is complletly wrong. If someone is raping my wife, he is dead. If someone breaks into my house while I am asleep, He is dead. There would only be one side of the story, and that mine.

you with a knife you WOULDN'T defend yourself? Sorry, but if someone is threatening me with a knife, baseball bat, etc. (all deadly weapons BTW), I'm going to DEFEND myself as the Constitution intended.

Deen
NRA Benefactor/Recruiter
WAC member
SWWAC member
 
Great letter JJ! I'm trying this logic on my left of center friends. Its funny how they know i carry and tell me they feel safe with me because they know me. But will not take the next step and put themselves in a position to protect themselves.

To be continued for sure.

Lefty.

What you are trying to do is teach common sense, it won't happen:s0112::s0112:

jj
 
I agree with about 5% of what he is saying. If I was out on a walk and some guy pulled out a knife and told me to "give me your wallet" I would just give it to him. A little money and having the hassle of getting a new drivers licence and canleing all my credit cards is a lot better than having to explain to a judge why I pulled my gun out when I was being robed with a knife.


but anything other that that He is complletly wrong. If someone is raping my wife, he is dead. If someone breaks into my house while I am asleep, He is dead. There would only be one side of the story, and that mine.

With all due respect, it's not going to be so cut and dried. I've been in this sort of situation before where hindsight is 20/20 and you know you were just robbed, but while it's happening you may perceive more threat than there actually was and you should and can react accordingly. For example, while being robbed, at 3am, awakened from sleep and still groggy, do you think you'll have the faculties to think through all the angles... probably not. You will likely act upon instinct or training. Your mind will race with many scenarios including just trying to figure out what the heck is going on. You're totally on the defense and at the mercy of the perp. It may take some time before you figure out you're being robbed... in the meantime you may feel that your family is in danger - especially if someone has made access into your house. Can you then, in the dark, groggy and cloudy minded, really and immediately figure out the intentions of an intruder (for example). You should figure he/she has the worst intentions and do what you can to counter that. If you were to show up in my house in the middle of the night - I can assure you that I'm not going to try to figure out if you want to rob me, borrow my toaster, have a beer, or ?uck my wife. I'll just assume the worst and attempt in every way to kill you. Fact of the matter is - too many people have let the system get turned around. You shouldn't have to explain why you killed a knife attacker with a gun. Simply put - if that cockroach wasn't there doing what he was doing his arse wouldn't be plugged full of holes in the first place. And, yes, I know - like I said - it's not cut and dried or black and white - you have to act upon what you know and as the vic you aren't given all the facts.... even if you were - should you believe the masked man when he says - ok, Mr. Greene, first I'm going to steal all your jewelry, tie up your kids and wife, and watch your television for a little while - then I'll be going about my merry way and nobody gets hurt...?? Well screw that - shoot first and ask questions later seems to have a solid place in this scenario.

sorry if it seemed like rambling - but I know there are some people just talking because they have lips (or fingers) to flap and need to understand that it's a little different in an actual encounter. Give that some though - I'd rather live with the regret of killing an intruder than letting him even breathe on my family.
 
I agree with about 5% of what he is saying. If I was out on a walk and some guy pulled out a knife and told me to "give me your wallet" I would just give it to him. A little money and having the hassle of getting a new drivers licence and canleing all my credit cards is a lot better than having to explain to a judge why I pulled my gun out when I was being robed with a knife.

:s0112: :s0112: :s0112: :s0112: :s0112: :s0112: :s0112:
 
That's because you provide them personal security without any of the actual responsibility.

Most of my friends are Female. I'm trying to remove there preconceived notion that they cant hold a gun much less control one.

It's nice to see these Women go from "Guns are evil" to "When are you going to take me shooting?"

Good stuff.

Lefty.
 
The Gun is Civilization
by Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret)

Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that's it.

In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.

When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force.

The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gang banger, and a single guy on equal footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender.

There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we'd be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a [armed] mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger's potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat--it has no validity when most of a mugger's potential marks are armed.

People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that's the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.

Then there's the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser. People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don't constitute lethal force watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level.

The gun is the only weapon that's as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply wouldn't work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn't both lethal and easily employable.

When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation... and that's why carrying a gun is a civilized act.

By Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret)


Semper Fi
 
Surely no one is really surprised that there are people who hold bone-headed viewpoints about guns.

Nope there are really people that stupid out there.
Part of the reason we have another idiot sitting in DC now.
I really question the water supplies in this country. :(
 
It's nice to see these Women go from "Guns are evil" to "When are you going to take me shooting?"

Good stuff.

Lefty.

with my wife and step daughter. Took them to an NRA Womans Day class. Too bad the step daughter died as now my wife doesn't want to go shooting. It reminds her too much of the fun she had with her daughter and it can never be repeated.
 
I agree with about 5% of what he is saying. If I was out on a walk and some guy pulled out a knife and told me to "give me your wallet" I would just give it to him. A little money and having the hassle of getting a new drivers licence and canleing all my credit cards is a lot better than having to explain to a judge why I pulled my gun out when I was being robed with a knife.


but anything other that that He is complletly wrong. If someone is raping my wife, he is dead. If someone breaks into my house while I am asleep, He is dead. There would only be one side of the story, and that mine.

So according the Use of Force rules and Force Escalation that police officers in the state of oregon are taught, is that a suspect holding a knife within 21' of you is considered an imminent threat and they are allowed to use deadly force. This same type of knowledge can be used to defend yourself in a courtroom. Just FYI.
 
What I want to know is- how in the world can you read someone's mind? I mean, if someone puts a gun or a knife in your face, how do you know they will just say "thanks for the money!" and walk away? What if you don't have any cash on you and your car is a POS? What if they want more but you don't have anything else?

Who is to say they are just going to be happy with what they have and walk away? What if they get more violent and decide to kill you or someone else? Kinda too late to decide that NOW is the time to act...whatever, I know I'm preaching to the choir in this forum, but it gets on me when people extend a bleeding heart to meat bags that are nothing more than a waste of air!
 
What I want to know is- how in the world can you read someone's mind? I mean, if someone puts a gun or a knife in your face, how do you know they will just say "thanks for the money!" and walk away? What if you don't have any cash on you and your car is a POS? What if they want more but you don't have anything else?

Who is to say they are just going to be happy with what they have and walk away? What if they get more violent and decide to kill you or someone else? Kinda too late to decide that NOW is the time to act...whatever, I know I'm preaching to the choir in this forum, but it gets on me when people extend a bleeding heart to meat bags that are nothing more than a waste of air!

+1
You cant read their minds. There is no unwriten law that says a criminal will play nice once you give him what he wants. "Oh just let him rape you, give him your car, all your money, and your kids".
These peope are seriously out of their minds!

This is more an issue about accepting victimization, than it is about guns.
I personally dont care if im armed or not, somebody tries to victimize me, in any way shape or form, and the fight is on. A pencil in the eye is just as an effective deterant as a 45. Sure I might be killed someday over 5 bucks in my pocket, but I wont be somebodies beetch by choice. Its not about the 5 bucks anyway, its about letting some duchebag control me. We all have a line in the sand that defines our level of acceptable BS. Some peoples lines get crossed sooner than others. I find that the older I get the less tolerant I become.
Human nature says if you are an easy target, you will be an easy target again. Schoolyard bullies have prooven this for years. How long you gonna keep giving away your milk money? With this menality of just give them what they want, you are inviting repeated offenses, at some point, you are the reason you are being victimized.
This persons letter is just typical liberal ideology, for some reason they are against excercizing personal responsibility.
 
with my wife and step daughter. Took them to an NRA Womans Day class. Too bad the step daughter died as now my wife doesn't want to go shooting. It reminds her too much of the fun she had with her daughter and it can never be repeated.

Deen, sorry to hear about your Step Daughter. Please give my condolences to your Wife and family. Hopefully you guys can find a different place or venue so you can go together. Maybe other couples would help?

Lefty.
 

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