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Carrying a dagger in Washington.

Discussion in 'Knives & Other Discussion' started by Nickb, Aug 1, 2014.

  1. Nickb

    Nickb Moxee Active Member

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    So the law saws "daggers" and "dirks" are illegal to carry in Washington, but there is no definition of either. My question is, if I had something like a Skallywag Tactical dagger, could I dull one edge so it was only sharp on one edge instead of both?
    Here is a link to the blade in question:
    http://skallywagtactical.com/product/dagger/
    Thanks.
     
  2. Joe13

    Joe13 NW of Vancouver Opinionated & Blunt Bronze Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    Dagger:

    a short knife with a pointed and edged blade, used as a weapon.

    Dirk:

    a short dagger of a kind formerly carried by Scottish Highlanders.

    That's just off a search so I'm guessing that most fixed blade knifes could be labeled a dagger in the right situation.

    It's going to depend on who sees it and/or how you use it.

    When in doubt, spend the cash on a lawyer to cover your arse.
     
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  3. Nickb

    Nickb Moxee Active Member

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    Thanks.
    I was planning on making some for groomsmen gifts. Looks like maybe they will just be "letter openers" with no sheath.
     
  4. Joe13

    Joe13 NW of Vancouver Opinionated & Blunt Bronze Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    Those would be a very nice gift :)
     
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    balline36m3 Yakima WA Active Member

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    balline36m3 Yakima WA Active Member

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  7. Nickb

    Nickb Moxee Active Member

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    And two that are damascus
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  8. Qjay

    Qjay Vancouver, not BC, Washington, not DC Active Member

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    You're required to post a price on items I want to buy! And this isn't even classifieds!

    Nice work, man! Seriously!

    Those are really beautiful, maybe you should sell them as artwork, signed, and with the certificate of authenticity embossed into the leather sheath to make it extremely clear these are not daggers or dirks.

    That said, I like the knifeup law pages, they do help clarify a lot, and from what I can tell, a sharp chopstick would qualify as a dagger according to the loose legal definition (and lack thereof) in the RCWs. As long as YOU THE MAKER classify it as a different item, I think your groomsmen should be fine.
     
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  9. Nickb

    Nickb Moxee Active Member

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    Thank you. I will have a few extras that I will post for sale, probably be around $100-$150 for just the "letter opener"
    The damascus will NOT be for sale this go around. I have the help of a very talented knife maker, he is guiding my material choices (O1 tool steel), letting me use some of his grinders/sanders and his heat treat oven. One of the damascus blades is for him since he was kind enough to give me a chunk of the material (that he forged himself), the other is obviously for me.
    Out of the 12, 3 are going to my groomsmen, one for me, one for my boss, one for my dad, one for the guy that will be cerakoting them and one to my leather guy in trade for some leather work.
    If there seems to be interest in some more I can always get some "pre orders" and do another run of them. I can also talk to the knife maker about some more damascus and what the price difference would be.
    I also have some aluminum ones made up, they are my "set up parts" if someone was interested I could add them to a steel blade version... You know for "training to use the 'letter openers'"

    These things just feel cool in your hand, it's a shame we can't conceal them in Washington.
     
  10. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    Just carry a sword. lol

     
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    oknow amboy wa. Well-Known Member

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  12. Qjay

    Qjay Vancouver, not BC, Washington, not DC Active Member

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    I have a folding knife with a blade about that long, lol.

    That said, with the way the laws are written, it would come down to a judge's decision about what was being carried, unless you can make it clear that it isn't something violating the RCWs. The knives are too sweet to dull the blades, and I think the open grip might make for a very convincing argument they aren't daggers or dirks.
     
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  13. Doc In UPlace

    Doc In UPlace Tacoma-ish Well-Known Member

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    Not what is being carried (with the exception of auto knives) but HOW it's being carried that counts here.
     
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  14. coop44

    coop44 Tacoma ,WA Well-Known Member

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    going by other states laws, either second edge not sharpened, or, no more than one inch. Of course for collectors this doesn't really matter. My old gerber guardian sits in a box on a shelf, wish I could carry it. Dirks and daggers are designed as stabbing weapons, every tool has a use.
     
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  15. erudne

    erudne The Pie Matrix PPL Say Sleeping W/Your Rifle Is A bad Thing? Bronze Supporter

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    A very personal heads-up
    if you have a single-edged knife and defend your life you could be a hero
    double edged knife
    3-life
    There is no inherent advantage to a double edged knife if the user has a modicum of skill
     
  16. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    Exactly. Pretty lame when you can carry a 3" .44 magnum that'll kill an elk at three hundred yards.
     
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    balline36m3 Yakima WA Active Member

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    o_O
     
  20. iamme

    iamme Lane County Well-Known Member

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    Design copy issue. Nick really should get ahold and square up. His other post even mentions copying a design.