Can you shoot someone with a less than lethal round if they r stealing your property?

[Capn Jack]

I prefer to use lighting and deterrents...

Do they sell these in a, "Hand Held" model?

 

[EHJ]

Every air soft gun I see has no red tip. Fe see pic below. But I don't shoot airsoft so maybe someone who does can chime in about if nearly all, or all?, airsoft poeple use guns with a red tip.View attachment 805943

Red tips were to keep cops from shooting kids.

 

[CRBMoA]

^^^correct^^^

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Do they make airsoft defensive "balls"/ammo such as pepper or?

Would an airsoft machine gun, select fire/"burst", or semi auto with a red tip be legal to shoot at someone stealing ur property outside ur house?

I'm kinda thinking have an airgun subgun on one shoulder and a real subgun on the other might be a good way to approach such a situation. If it's legal I mean. Let em have it with the pepper balls (to protect property) and then stand ready with the real thing should it be needed to stop a deadly attack.

 

[No_Regerts]

Amazon.com : Rap4 Less Lethal Pepper Filled Balls - Tube of 10 : Sports & Outdoors

Amazon.com : Rap4 Less Lethal Pepper Filled Balls - Tube of 10 : Sports & Outdoors

www.amazon.com

 

[EHJ]

Do they make airsoft defensive "balls"/ammo such as pepper or?

Would an airsoft machine gun, select fire/"burst", or semi auto with a red tip be legal to shoot at someone stealing ur property outside ur house?

I'm kinda thinking have an airgun subgun on one shoulder and a real subgun on the other might be a good way to approach such a situation.

They make old school paintballs in all sorts of funky loads.
Ever see the auto's that the Feds used at the ICE facility protesters?

 

[Certaindeaf]

Yes

 

[BigDog67]

How's this for "less than lethal"?

 

[EHJ]

How's this for "less than lethal"?

View attachment 805959

To you maybe!

Good looking pooch!

 

[bbbass]

Any firearm is considered to be deadly force. Use a non-gunpowder weapon such as paintball guns for non-lethal.

That's assault with a less-than-deadly weapon!!

Oooooooo, that 'll teach 'em! Along those lines, you could "Hurl" insults at them too. Maybe something in the form of "Yo' mamma's so Fat......."

That's gonna get you convicted of hate speech and sent to Gitmo!

It definitely proves that things that look like guns will be perceived as such. So, not only is it bad to point a real gun with bacon in it at someone, maybe a fake gun as well?

A civilian pointing one at a crim is prolly gonna see the crim pull his real gun at fling lead... I'd rather not be in a firefight armed only with paintballs.

 

[Mikej]

How's this for "less than lethal"?

View attachment 805959

Now that dog MEANS it! "Gimme that biscuit or else.... I'm gonna lick you and bug you allll night".

 

[EHJ]

Acetylene has a self ignition / explosive pressure of only 20 psi. even in the absence of oxygen.

Never fill and seal a paintball with the stuff. Never. Ever.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

I'm still confused about the red tip thing. Found this 2015 article about lake Oswego cops were given airsoft guns for a training. They obviously didn't have red tips.
Article is behind a paywall so u have to right click and download it to view. Not that good of an article actually, very short and best paragraph is shown above. https://pamplinmedia.com/lor/48-new...les-for-using-airsoft-guns?wallit_nosession=1

 

[JRuby]

You start acting like your going to shoot someone domt be surprised if they shoot back. I do not see how this could end well.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Acetylene has a self ignition / explosive pressure of only 20 psi. even in the absence of oxygen.

Never fill and seal a paintball with the stuff. Never. Ever.

Hmm interesting thought there. So sodium combusts wildly when exposed to water. I wonder what would happen if a paintball gun was loaded with alternating rounds of sodium and water? (J/k)

 

[No_Regerts]

Hmm interesting thought there. So sodium combusts wildly when exposed to water. I wonder what would happen if a paintball gun was loaded with alternating rounds of sodium and water? (J/k)

I have no experience with chemistry whatsoever so forgive me.....

Then how does saltwater happen?

 

[EHJ]

I have no experience with chemistry whatsoever so forgive me.....

Then how does saltwater happen?

Sodium metal...

 

[ilikegunspdx]

You start acting like your going to shoot someone domt be surprised if they shoot back. I do not see how this could end well.

It seems to me if it's within ur rights to shoot someone stealing ur property with airsoft pepperballs (not threaten to shoot them) and then immediately transition to a real gun to be ready if needed, you would be in a good position I think against a possibly disoriented adversary. I'm not saying that is legal, but it sounds like it may be.

Alternatively u could probably point a real gun at someone stealing ur property (can u do this legally I wonder -pointing a gun at them I mean?) but u could not shoot it unless they pulled a gun or other reasonable threat of deadly force. U can't shoot if they continue to steal ur property, threaten to come back and do damage, etc. as I understand it.

 

[EHJ]

It seems to me if it's within ur rights to shoot someone stealing ur property with airsoft pepperballs (not threaten to shoot them) and then immediately transition to a real gun to be ready if needed, you would be in a good position I think against a possibly disoriented adversary. I'm not saying that is legal, but it sounds like it may be.

Alternatively u could probably point a real gun at someone stealing ur property (can u do this legally I wonder -pointing a gun at them I mean?) but u could not shoot it unless they pulled a gun or other reasonable threat of deadly force. U can't shoot if they continue to steal ur property, threaten to come back and do damage, etc.

You also need a complainant and a responding cop. And then you'd need the cop to judge the veracity of complainant's statement (since officer did not witness altercation) and your own statement. More than a few criminals have injured themselves merely by trying to run away from their crime scene on their own.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

I have no experience with chemistry whatsoever so forgive me.....

Then how does saltwater happen?

I think it's due to elemental sodium, vs sodium chloride (salt).