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Can you identify this rifle? (Mauser?)

Discussion in 'Rifle Discussion' started by F2CMaDMaXX, Jul 17, 2016.

  1. F2CMaDMaXX

    F2CMaDMaXX West of Portland from England Bullet goes where now? Staff Member Bronze Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    This rifle is an unknown to me, i don't know the mark(s) where it came from, whether it's safe to fire or it's history.

    The pictures are quick snaps with my phone so they're not the best, but you can click for full size and i'm hoping someone can identify this, tell me about it, make, model, calibre etc.

    Thanks.

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  2. bolus

    bolus Portland Gold Supporter Gold Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    spanish mauser 7x57. Probably belonged to this guy:
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  3. F2CMaDMaXX

    F2CMaDMaXX West of Portland from England Bullet goes where now? Staff Member Bronze Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    That would explain the box of 7x57 i have too.....

    Bit more info, this is part of our families estate clear out these past couple of years, i have a random box of 7x57 and a few boxes of .303 British (see the other rifle thread i made)

    Anything else you can say/tell me about it? I've never heard of, seen or obviously fired a Spanish Mauser before.
     
  4. JRuby

    JRuby St. Helens Oregon Well-Known Member

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    One of my favorite deer cartridges - based on the bolt it appears to me that it is either a 1893 or 1895 Mauser. Not as strong as a 98 Mauser so if you reload it is recommended to load to lower pressures. I have a couple of FN supreme Mauser rifles I hunt with in this cartridge. These small ring Mausers led the way to the US going to the 30-06 and 1903 Springfield rifles. A fun rifle.
     
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  5. Fjordforder

    Fjordforder Pierce County Active Member

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    I have one. Nice rifles, comparing it with a Krag it`s easy to see how it beat the Krag out in the Spanish American war. Your has the markings which shows it escaped the "refurbishment" process instituted under the Franco regime when the fascists took power in Spain after the Spanish civil war. They scrubbed royalist markings off the rifles and roughly stamped on a new serial number (sometimes twice over) and opened up the gas escape hole a bit. Mine has a sporterized stock and glossy black finish sloppily applied by the previous owner. You got a really nice find, sporters like mine go for about $350 as I`ve seen it.
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    It looks like yours has the same sporter stock as mine. I don`t remember for sure do son`t quote me but I seem to remember hearing that rifles like these were cut down professionally by the Bannerman company in the late 1950s after they bought the remaining stocks of 1893 Mausers from the Spanish government.

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  6. F2CMaDMaXX

    F2CMaDMaXX West of Portland from England Bullet goes where now? Staff Member Bronze Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    Hey, thanks for the extra info, looking at yours, i'm guessing this stock is sporterised too?

    The sloppy/glossy black finish is also present on this one, maybe they were just that way?
     
  7. Fjordforder

    Fjordforder Pierce County Active Member

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    Looks like yours has the same stock, I can`t comment on the finish, but it appears on mine to be something over the original. It`s a hard finish, that`s certain. To be brutally honest, the rifle doesn`t have much value left in it (I misspoke and didn`t look very closely at your photos, apologies). I got mine for $50 but yours looks to be in better condition, and similar rifles I`ve come across go for about $250. And, honestly, because the Fascists ruined the markings it will never be 100% original ever again. So, if you want an original 1893, buy one whole instead of rehabbing this one. It would cost more than the gun is worth. As a shooter it should be fine though.
     
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  8. F2CMaDMaXX

    F2CMaDMaXX West of Portland from England Bullet goes where now? Staff Member Bronze Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    So do you know if there is a way to tell if it's a '93 or a '95?

    There is, or i would say it's been touched up in places, perhaps? Not detailed, but check the far right of the pic, just behind the rear sight 'block', it's rust coming through the finish.

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  9. Fjordforder

    Fjordforder Pierce County Active Member

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    Can`t say for totally sure but I know mine is an 1893 and shares all the features yours has, so that`s fair enough.
     
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  10. Goosebrown

    Goosebrown Beaverton Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter 2015 Volunteer

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    Franco WAS a royalist. They scrubbed off the REPUBLICAN seals. But that is a 1952 rifle so it was 14 years after Franco won the Civil War and has the correct markings that I can see
     
  11. Fjordforder

    Fjordforder Pierce County Active Member

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    I`m sorry?
     
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  12. MountainBear

    MountainBear Sweet Home, OR Well-Known Member

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    Look at the bolt. An 1893 will have the bottom of the bolt face squared off, they went to a round bolt on the 1895.

    I've seen military guns, albeit from later timeframes, that used this hard black paint as a finish. So I don't know if that's original (or at least arsenal applied) or someone's kitchen table refinish.
     
  13. MountainBear

    MountainBear Sweet Home, OR Well-Known Member

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    Apparently my eyes aren't that good. Is that a 1952 stamp or a 1932 stamp?
     
  14. F2CMaDMaXX

    F2CMaDMaXX West of Portland from England Bullet goes where now? Staff Member Bronze Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    1932, i'll check the bolt face out tonight, thanks :)
     
  15. Velzey

    Velzey Estacada, Oregon Gunsmith Gunsmith Bronze Vendor Bronze Supporter

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    Why yes I've had several of them! All shot really well.
    Let's check the headspace on it and enjoy shooting it!

    That hidius paint should come off with some acetone.
     
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  16. F2CMaDMaXX

    F2CMaDMaXX West of Portland from England Bullet goes where now? Staff Member Bronze Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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