Quantcast
  1. Sign up now and join over 35,000 northwest gun owners. It's quick, easy, and 100% free!

can i use jacketed powder loads on plated bullets?

Discussion in 'Ammunition & Reloading' started by tlfreek, Dec 18, 2011.

  1. tlfreek

    tlfreek Vancouver WA Active Member

    Messages:
    697
    Likes Received:
    211
    I suspect i have done this in the past, but was curious if there was any feedback here.
     
  2. orygun

    orygun West Linn Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

    Messages:
    3,770
    Likes Received:
    1,946
    I would say yes. That's what I do. If anything the plated bullets may be softer than a jacketed bullet which will lower pressures. As always though, I work up a load and don't start at maximum!

    My only experience with this type of bullet is with 45 ACP.
     
  3. wichaka

    wichaka Wa State Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    2,374
    Likes Received:
    797
    From what I've read from the bullet makers, they recommend loading plated bullets with lead bullet loads.

    I use an old IPSC 45 load, which is 4.5gr Bullseye with a 230gr bullet. Its pretty lame, so I don't have to worry about much.
    But if you're pushing the load to max or near max, then I would listen to the makers.
     
  4. motoman98

    motoman98 Gresham, OR Active Member

    Messages:
    676
    Likes Received:
    80
    If you load them to jacketed bullet speeds, you often find the inside of your barrel plated also!
     
  5. Wood Worker

    Wood Worker Linn County Oregon Active Member

    Messages:
    211
    Likes Received:
    51
    I agree with Motoman98.
    I know from experience that if you push plated bullets supersonic, that the slugs are much more likely to shed plating while going down your barrel.
    If you are using a cartridge that does not break the 1200 fps velocity, you will probably not have to clean your barrel much past powder fouling.

    The only plated bullets that I know of that you can push faster are the ones like berrys thick plate, I have used their thick plate 165 grain for my 10mm with no trouble going fast, and I use their thick plate 150 grain 30-30 slugs going 2100 and no shedding has occurred for me.
     
  6. darkminstrel

    darkminstrel PDX Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,383
    Likes Received:
    156
    I just loaded 600 rounds of .40 using Rainier plated 165gr tonight. My loads began at 5.0gr of Unique and have been worked up to 7.0gr with no loss of integrity of the rounds. Accuracy is high, recoil is low.
     
  7. civilian75

    civilian75 Hillsboro, OR Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,392
    Likes Received:
    627
    I've found and folks will correct me that if you take roughly 0.5gr off of muzzle velocities to match jacketed velocities.
    Also, the Missouri Bullet Co technical page has a great white paper on lead bullet loading w/o barrel leading. Thin plating will behave pretty much like no platting. The trick is to keep the maximum chamber pressure within the effective range for any given hardness. Since it is hard to measure chamber pressure, people provide muzzle velocities; just keep in mind, "it is chamber pressure, dummy". :)

    just got a batch of Berry's 10mm thick plated bullets. Cant wait to give 'em a try at the range.
     
  8. HappyRoman

    HappyRoman Sherwood Forest Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

    Messages:
    2,166
    Likes Received:
    120
  9. deadshot2

    deadshot2 NW Quadrant WA State Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    2,407
    Likes Received:
    537
    There is a general rule of thumb that plated bullets don't like speeds much over 1200 fps. The highest speed I have seen recommended was 1400 fps.

    I find that most of my 9mm loads seem to perform well at the 1250 fps mark, and my favorite bullet is a "plated" Gold Dot Hollow Point, I've shot lots of them.

    The only plated bullet I've ever had trouble with was Rainier Bullets and that was only a case of the jacket material wrinkling when seating. Never a problem shedding copper in the barrel even though I run my loads at "jacketed speed".

    As with any bullet and load that is new to you, it's essential to do a proper workup to insure a safe and accurate load. This is essential regardless of what you received from the mfr or friends.
     
  10. tlfreek

    tlfreek Vancouver WA Active Member

    Messages:
    697
    Likes Received:
    211
    thanks for teh replies. Sandy. I think the bullets i got are from accur bullets - at least that's what the box says. nevertheless I can do lead loads but would like to use 20+ grains of H110. It makes the range come alive :)
     
  11. orygun

    orygun West Linn Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

    Messages:
    3,770
    Likes Received:
    1,946
    What are you loading? 41 Mag?
     
  12. HappyRoman

    HappyRoman Sherwood Forest Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

    Messages:
    2,166
    Likes Received:
    120
    I think it should work.

    240 GR. LSWC CAST IMR IMR 4227 .430" 1.620" 22.0C 1310 33,300 CUP
    240 GR. LSWC CAST IMR 800-X .430" 1.620" 13.4 1395 39,600 CUP
    240 GR. LSWC CAST Winchester AutoComp .430" 1.620" 7.0 886 13,800 PSI 8.0 996 16,200 PSI
    240 GR. LSWC CAST Hodgdon Universal .430" 1.620" 6.5 852 11,700 CUP 10.2 1276 37,500 CUP
    240 GR. LSWC CAST Winchester 231 .430" 1.620" 5.5 800 12,000 CUP 11.0 1334 38,100 CUP
    240 GR. LSWC CAST Hodgdon HP-38 .430" 1.620" 5.5 800 12,000 CUP 11.0 1334 38,100 CUP
    240 GR. LSWC CAST IMR SR 7625 .430" 1.620" 10.7 1190 39,700 CUP
    240 GR. LSWC CAST IMR Trail Boss .430" 1.620" 6.0 828 19,100 PSI 7.3 917 21,600 PSI
    240 GR. LSWC CAST Hodgdon Titegroup .430" 1.620" 4.7 801 11,100 CUP 10.0 1288 38,400 CUP
    240 GR. LSWC CAST IMR 700-X .430" 1.620" 9.5 1185 40,000 CUP
    240 GR. LSWC CAST Hodgdon Clays .430" 1.620" 4.3 759 14,000 CUP 6.2 940 21,800 CUP
    240 GR. NOS JHP IMR IMR 4227 .429" 1.600" 22.0 1301 28,400 CUP 24.0 1458 36,100 CUP
    240 GR. NOS JHP Winchester 296 .429" 1.600" 23.0 1413 25,200 CUP 24.0 1522 36,200 CUP
    240 GR. NOS JHP Hodgdon H110 .429" 1.600" 23.0 1413 25,200 CUP 24.0 1522 36,200 CUP
    240 GR. NOS JHP Hodgdon Lil'Gun .429" 1.600" 22.5 1465 30,100 CUP 24.5 1582 38,100 CUP
    240 GR. NOS JHP Hodgdon Longshot .429" 1.600" 11.0 1249 29,400 PSI 12.1 1331 34,500 PSI
    240 GR. NOS JHP IMR 800-X .429" 1.600" 14.2 1415 39,600 CUP
    240 GR. NOS JHP IMR SR 4756 .429" 1.600" 13.3 1260 39,800 CUP
    240 GR. NOS JHP Hodgdon HS-6 .429" 1.600" 12.0 1144 22,800 CUP 15.1 1417 38,200 CUP
    240 GR. NOS JHP Winchester AutoComp .429" 1.600" 10.0 1129 26,000 PSI 11.5 1250 34,100 PSI
    240 GR. NOS JHP Hodgdon Universal .429" 1.600" 8.0 1018 21,900 CUP 10.2 1246 38,200 CUP
    240 GR. NOS JHP Winchester 231 .429" 1.600" 8.0 1021 23,800 CUP 11.0 1272 37,800 CUP
    240 GR. NOS JHP Hodgdon HP-38 .429" 1.600" 8.0 1021 23,800 CUP 11.0 1272 37,800 CUP
    240 GR. NOS JHP Hodgdon Titegroup .429" 1.600" 9.0 1219 33,500 CUP 10.0 1292 37,700 CUP

    looks like a semi-trunk bullet, if its in a nice barrel, not pitted, should be fine..
     
  13. olydemon

    olydemon Olympia Active Member

    Messages:
    240
    Likes Received:
    30
    The accurate powder website has a downloadable PDF of the catalog with some plated data. Also, the Lee 2nd Ed book also has plated data.
     
  14. tlfreek

    tlfreek Vancouver WA Active Member

    Messages:
    697
    Likes Received:
    211
    44 mag. and if you look at what happyroman posted I want to use the H110 in the Jacketed recipe. I might try it anyway to see what happens. if it's plating the inside barrell I can clean that out shooting a jacketed round and then clean afterwards provided I dont have any ill effects.
     
  15. Silver02ex

    Silver02ex Hillsboro, OR Member

    Messages:
    103
    Likes Received:
    11
    Berry's site says to use somewhere between a jacketed and lead load. That's what I did in the past, and it works great.
     
  16. chrislind2

    chrislind2 Springfield, Oregon Member

    Messages:
    172
    Likes Received:
    24
    Been reloading with Berry's bullets for a long time now and I use the same specs as any other round. I always clean my guns right after I shoot and scrub the barrel with a wire brush. Have never found any type of residue in the barrels other than burnt powder residue. The rounds always shoot well and accurately. I use the Speer reloading manual #14. I have found a large variety of reloading specs online for all types of bullets. I found that the specs vary wildly and often thought many of them were just foolish. I reload fairly conservatively mainly for safety, and have never had any problems with my hand loads. I just about always load on the lower to middle end of the recommended powder grains. Never had any problems staying away from hot loads, makes things simple and safe.