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Can Ammo be washed before being used in gun after Hoppes # 9 Solvent bottle exploded

Discussion in 'Ammunition & Reloading' started by warthogster, Feb 10, 2011.

  1. warthogster

    warthogster Northern California New Member

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    I just received a shipment from a reputable mid-west gun store. Upon opening the box I have found that my order of Hoppes #9 Bore Cleaner had exploded somewhere during shipment and my Extreme Shock CT2 Tactical Ammunition has been completely soaked in the bore cleaner.

    My question is the ammo safe to shoot if I just wiped it down really well ? Or can I even give it a quick rinse under water and then completely dry well with a soft absorbent towel ? Or this box of ammo lost forever ?

    I must say the this great company is already sending me a replacement for all of my products that were ruined or soaked within the cleaner when it exploded which I must say has won over my business for sure ! All of course at their expense this time.

    I knew something was up with my shipment when I approached my porched and smelled the familiar smell of Hoppes # 9. That smell totally takes me back to when my Uncle Lee used to clean his hunting rifles and pistols that he had around his home in San Fransisco back in the late 70's early 80's.

    The name of the online gun store who has treated me like a long time customer and thus far I have only had two orders with them are: MidwayUSA.com. They have some pretty good prices on various ammo and good deals on other needed items to keep your gun in good working condition.

    I appreciate the collective knowledge here on NW Firearms. I thank you in advance for assisting with my enquiry about if you should ever wash ammo or just lightly rise it or wipe it down or toss it when it has been soaking and coated in Bore Solvent.

    The ammo in question states on the box that this ammo is for +P type guns but when I researched the ad at Midwayusa.com there was no mention of this particular ammo being the +P rounds. All the other +P rounds of ammo are clearly listed so I am not sure if this applies to this particular ammo type. It is .45ACP 150gr Extreme Shock CT2 Tactical Ammunition with the green polymer expansion tip.

    I am curious to know if the solvent will damage the polymer expansion tip upon firing my gun. I would like to hear from other gun owners who have shot this particular brand of ammo and how was the recoil if any and did you happen to perform any tests to verify the expansion ratio of this type of ammo ?

    Thank you for your time and knowledge. Peace be with you,

    Warthogster
     
  2. skywag

    skywag On the Columbia River Active Member

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    I would just fire the rounds. They will clean your gun at the same time!
     
  3. giddyupgo55

    giddyupgo55 Vernonia Active Member

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    I would let the gun store you bought from know what happen, otherwise wipe off the ammo and give it a try.
     
  4. elsie

    elsie Way over there on the left Well-Known Member

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    I'd rinse thoroughly with water and lay them flat on a towel or paper towel and roll them dry. I don't recall if Hoppes is intended to clean copper from the barrel when used, but if it is, then it could adversely affect the brass of the case if just left alone. It doesn't hurt to be a little cautious.


    elsie
     
  5. SheepDog223

    SheepDog223 Salem Well-Known Member

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    If this is your self defence ammo then call who you bought it from and start making a claim on thier insurance. Don't take a chance that you don't have to.

    Also note that a recent lot of .45acp is being recalled right now.
     
  6. warthogster

    warthogster Northern California New Member

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    ** = ) **

    Thank you gentlemen for the great assistance on my enquiry about the Solvent soaked ammo. I actually called ExtremeShock Ammunition Company and spoke with one of their tech specialists. He suggested that I lightly wipe them down with some alcohol immediately cause the caustic property of the Hoppes#9 Bore Solvent could damage the primers and not fire for you when needed. He also suggested that I should take them to the closest range and let them loose before they get too old or just sitting around, since the longer sitting around even though being cleaned the primer could fizzle out in the future.

    Also any one of you ever tried Break Free's CLP gun cleaner ? The gun webstore is also sending a bottle of the CLP to help appease me since most of my shipment was damaged or covered in the Bore Solvent when it exploded during the shipment to my home.

    Does any one have any horror stories or good stories from using the CLP cleaner ? I am not that familiar with it and do not want to apply it to my gun and shotgun if it does not clean properly, etc. Thanks again for your great collective gun knowledge.

    @SHEEPDOG223 - Yes I actually received an email earlier in my day about the .45ACP ammo recall it seemed that most of it was from Federal and their associates. This particular type and brand where not on the list recall. Thank you for the heads up ! I appreciate it.

    Have a great weekend ! Ciao ! - Warthogster
     
  7. iusmc2002

    iusmc2002 Colville, WA Active Member

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    CLP is the stuff the military uses. Works well in small-arms, somewhat ok in the SAW and M240, not so well in the Ma Duece or the MK-19 lol I've always thought it was good stuff
     
  8. PhysicsGuy

    PhysicsGuy Corvallis, OR Resident Science Nut

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    CLP is what I always use for cleaning and lubing most my firearms. And its good to hear that they're replacing the order!

    Do you mind saying what company this was that you ordered from?
     
  9. warthogster

    warthogster Northern California New Member

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    @PHYSICSGUY - The name of the online gun store who has treated me like a long time customer and thus far I have only had two orders with them are: MidwayUSA.com. At first they were only going to replace the items that were completely soaked and ruined by the exploding solvent bottle. I found later in the day that all of my order will be replaced free of charge and free shipping as well ! I am very happy with their customer service response !

    They have some pretty good prices on various ammo and good deals on other needed items to keep your gun in good working condition. I have done some more research on CLP and have read conflicting data. Since you are a moderator I would greatly appreciate your gun knowledge on CLP since it seems that you have some history with the product.

    The data that I have came across states that you CAN put CLP thru your barrel but should wipe it down ASAP another data report stated that you can leave CLP in your barrel for @ least 24hrs so that sometype of I believe they said "telfon particles" would coat any and all gun parts after they have been cleaned properly.

    How thick or thin of a layer of the CLP is needed for the telfon coating process to take effect ? Is there a certain pre-cleaner or another product that the manufacturers of CLP created to help boost the cleaning power of CLP or regular gun solvent would be fine ? Is there a difference with what is labeled "Gun Solvent" compared to "Bore Solvent" ? I am sure that they both have very similar chemical substructure but one might be more caustic to clean the different heavy deposits in the barrel of your shooting weapons. Or are the gun companies just using a play on words to gain some extra $$$$ to think that two different solvents are needed to clean your weapons ?

    Also I am having a real difficult time finding reputible .45ACP compact double-stack 10rd magazines for my Para Ordnance Warthog WHX-1045R, Sub Compact, 3". It is called the P-10 .45ACP compact magazine. Do any one of you fine gentlemen with your vast gun knowledge aware of another gun model magazine to work well within my warthog ? I often see the XD compact 10rd mag availabe for sale at very reasonable prices and it looks very similar to my mag for my hog but not really sure or want to try to see if it that particular mag would feed properly. I have researched and find ALOT of mags for the P-12 and on up in the Para line up but it is very difficult to locate my P-10 10rd magazine for a reasonable price not over $ 50.00 a magazine for my warthog.

    I appreciate your time and effort to assist me with my further questions. Peace be with you.

    Thankfully,

    Warthogster
     
  10. wingspar

    wingspar Oregon Member

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    CLP is good stuff. I had two orders of Hoppes 9 leak on me. The online retailer replaced the first bottle, but the second bottle arrived in the same condition, and the UPS driver asked me what was in the package as he had never smelled anything like that. He sent the bottle back. Since I had two consecutive orders of Hoppes 9 arrive in that condition, I have decided I will Never order Hoppes 9 online again. I attributed it to a problem with the Hoppes 9 packaging, and not the retailer I bought it from. At the time, I could not find any Hoppes 9 around here. Customer service from the retailer I bought it from was excellent. I was lucky. The Hoppes 9 didn’t damage anything else in the box, cause everything else was wrapped in factory plastic, or plastic wrapped by the shipper.

    Midway USA has top notch excellent customer service. I order from them with complete confidence.
     
  11. MrNiceGuy

    MrNiceGuy between springfield and shelbyville Well-Known Member

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    Personally, I would steer clear of extreme shock ammo. There is no such thing as a +P type gun, and it would have no effect on the ammo even if there were. It's just meaningless hogwash that they hope makes their product sound more powerful. If it were a +P round, It would be clearly marked. Both for your safety, and for their liability in case you loaded it into a gun that was not rated for +P ammunition.

    The ct-2 cartridge was designed as a training round. All in all I'd say it's closer to a -P, if there were such a thing.
    It's designed to be shot at steel targets and disintegrate. It's designed to expand just enough to reduce the chance or ricochet, and it's lead free so there's no lead powder in the air that's commonly associated with shooting steal targets.

    The box o truth has done some testing with other extreme shock ammo and the results were disappointing at best.
    The Box O' Truth #23 - ExtremeShock™ Ammo and the Box O' Truth - Page 1

    They either dont penetrate enough, or they dont expand what so ever. All in all I'd say that extreme shock has a great marketing team, but their actual products are lower tier despite their top tier prices.

    and as far as hoppes #9 ruining primers... That myth has been debunked as well.
    The Box O' Truth #39 - Oil Vs. Primers - Page 2
     
  12. PhysicsGuy

    PhysicsGuy Corvallis, OR Resident Science Nut

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    Midway is definitely a great place, I order quite a bit of stuff from them.

    As far as CLP goes, I usually just use a small amount for lubrication. For cleaning (depending on how dirty the part is) I spray a lot of it on, let it soak for a few minutes, then brush with a nylon brush. If it wont come off with CLP I use hoppes solvent or simple green and a brush to clean it up. I haven't ever heard of any problems of getting any in the barrel.

    As far as solvents go, most solvents such as hoppes are good at removing carbon buildup, and wont (typically) have any impact on finishes. But "bore" solvents are typically specially formulated to remove either copper or lead. Typically lead buildup isnt too hard to remove with any solvents, but copper can be a bit tricky, sometimes requiring a specialized copper solvent.

    With worry about what to use for cleaning, I typically use CLP for everything, and hoppes on the bore usually. If accuracy starts deteriorating, or you notice buildup that you cant remove, try using a copper solvent.

    Hope that helps!
     
  13. irequiem

    irequiem Portland New Member

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    I use CLP and like it quite well,never have had any problems with it overcoating when I store a firearm. And oddly enough I kinda like the smell. A friend in the military on leave gave me a bottle to oil my gun when I ran out of my usual gun oil and I've never looked back. Gun Zone did a rust test on oils and CLP did very well. The Gun Zone -- Corrosion Test
     
  14. python287

    python287 Neskowin,OR Active Member

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    A number of years ago there was concern that Break Free killed primers - so there is always the chance that Hoppes would do the same. Wouldn't hurt to wash them and get the stuff off of them - especially around the primers. Then go out and fire a few just to make sure they still fire. Just my 2 Cents !
     
  15. AMProducts

    AMProducts Maple Valley, WA Jerk, Ammo Manufacturer Silver Supporter

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    any ammo that has been exposed even to solvent vapor for longer than a few minutes should be suspect. If there is any flaw in the sealant used on the primer or mouth of the round it is likely not good. Hoppes, cleaners and oils are what are used to keep primers from going off after an error has been made. The ammo should no longer be considered good. Since midway is replacing it, take the rounds out and shoot them at something for testing purposes. DO NOT TRUST YOUR LIFE TO THEM AS THEY ARE LIKELY TO LET YOU DOWN!!!!!!
     
  16. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    AMProducts Maple Valley, WA Jerk, Ammo Manufacturer Silver Supporter

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    Well, if your willing to trust your life to something you read on the internet :)

    I agree, the rounds are probably fine, as almost all factory ammo is sealed, which is why I said just take them out and shoot them for practice, or testing or whatever. Especially since they are being replaced, there's no need to trust your life with them.

    When you're trusting your life to something, especially something as complex as firearms and ammunition, you better have a pretty good idea whether it's going to go bang every time you need it. Otherwise it's worthless.
     
  18. DoubleTapDrew

    DoubleTapDrew Oregon Well-Known Member

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    I'd contact Midway and let them know. They should replace the ammo and replace the Hoppes (or credit you for the Hoppes). I ordered a bottle from them once and it leaked in transit as well so I don't think I'll be ordering that anymore online.
     
  19. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    I fail to see how on line comments by other strangers carries more weight. The guy at BoT seems a pretty straight shooter

    Besides you can do your own tests quite easily if you're worried about it
     
  20. AMProducts

    AMProducts Maple Valley, WA Jerk, Ammo Manufacturer Silver Supporter

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    I see sarcasm still doesn't translate across the intertubes.