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California Seizes Guns as Owners Lose Right to Keep Arms

Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by dmancornell, Mar 12, 2013.

  1. dmancornell

    dmancornell Portland, OR New Member

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    California Seizes Guns as Owners Lose Right to Keep Arms - Businessweek

    Lesson of the day: don't talk to cops, don't open the door, don't let them in, tell them to leave your property.

     
  2. drew

    drew OR Well-Known Member

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    I learned that lesson when I had a couple parties in high school without getting in any trouble. Keep it brief and tell them to leave.

    It actually amazes some people when they see someone refuse cop's requests. There's a reason they're asking at that point.
     
  3. unklekippy

    unklekippy In The Mountains Near Sprague River Well-Known Member

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    I would keep it as brief as "Go away!", shouted through the door. I have been around long enough to know that when cops show up, something is going on that I want no part of.
     
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  4. mrblond

    mrblond Salem OR Well-Known Member

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    the words " got a warrant " should be very effective
     
  5. Cuthbert Allgood

    Cuthbert Allgood Clark County, WA Well-Known Member

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    just like when a police officer asks if he/she can search your vehicle, you can tell them "no." at that point, though, they'll probably call for a k-9 unit. if the dog doesn't get a hit on anything, the cop has no choice but to leave you be. i've had several instances like that. i love the look on their face when the dog doesn't "hit" on anything. :)
     
  6. Hrethgir

    Hrethgir Beaverton, OR Active Member

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    Honestly, if someone does something that makes it so the can't legaly own a firearm, I don't have a problem with the police taking their guns from them. BUT, they need to come carrying a warrant, none of those dirty cop tricks where they talk you into giving up your right to not being illegally searched without a warrant.
     
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  7. Mark W.

    Mark W. Silverton, OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    GOOD DEAL this is excellent. Its exactly what we keep asking for. To have the guns taken from the bad guys and to leave us the law abiding owners alone.

    BOUT time this started happening.
     
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  8. chariot13

    chariot13 Near Eugene/Springfield Well-Known Member

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    When its a law stating your committing a felony for not registering your firearm, get away from the losers trying to enforce it. By all means necessary.
     
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  9. SBC97281

    SBC97281 Oregon Active Member

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    With the search feature being down right now I will post this link to a great youtube video on when you should talk to the police (which I have posted before--but is still relevant):

    Dont Talk to Police - YouTube

    The ACLU is not always firearms friendly, but they are spot on about illegal searches:

    Know Your Rights: What To Do If You're Stopped By Police, Immigration Agents or the FBI | American Civil Liberties Union

    And Portland IndyMedia has a this flier with instructions when the police come to your door:

    http://media.portland.indymedia.org/media/2008/05/375313.pdf
     
  10. unklekippy

    unklekippy In The Mountains Near Sprague River Well-Known Member

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    Anyone who thinks that firearm confiscation of Americans is good can take a leap. It is unfortunate that today some are so brainwashed to think that any police agency of the state has the right to disarm ANYONE. I hope they come for yours first. The rest of us will adhere to The Constitution. I know, bringing up The Constitution shows what a crack job I must be, also, go ahead and try with your ridiculous "consiracy" claims. I thought Mark W. was a good guy. I now realize that he is all for the gulag state. What a bubbleguming joke. Ki,
     
  11. SKN

    SKN Keizer, OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Other lessons: don't become a convicted felon, and avoid behavior requiring detention in a mental health facitilty for psychological evaluation to determine whether you are a danger to yourself or others. In these ways contact with law enforcement and siezures of this type are non issues.
     
  12. Mark W.

    Mark W. Silverton, OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    So you avocate that felons who by legal process are forbiden to own fire arms not be disarmed? And here I thought you were not an anarchist. We keep telling then to inforce the laws on the books and notto keep messing with the law abiding.
     
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  13. slimer13

    slimer13 Deer Park Well-Known Member

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    Its kinda funny that some on here claim to care about the 2ndA while gladfully giving up the 4thA.
     
  14. oknow

    oknow amboy wa. Well-Known Member

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    Is it the same type of bad guys like the one's in the truck all shot up, with news papers getting delivered that tried to (supposedly) ram a cop car???????? yea right
     
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  15. richardlpalmer

    richardlpalmer Kirkland, WA Active Member

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    Wow, I don't think I like this at all. It's an easy one if a person owned guns then went on a murderous rampage -- getting out on parole and still owning those guns. Sure. He's a convicted felon. Shouldn't have guns (based on our current laws -- which are arguably valid). But in the article one of the cases was a person who spent a couple days at a mental hospital. That's hardly the same thing.

    The scary part is the labeling of, and the general populace's agreement of, what constitutes the criteria.

    Another part from that article:
    So because she'd been hospitalized, both of them had their guns seized. And who made put the label on her? Interesting.
     
  16. Cuthbert Allgood

    Cuthbert Allgood Clark County, WA Well-Known Member

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    she was probably being held INVOLUNTARILY. that's the important thing to note. there was probably a good, solid reason for placing her on involuntary hold. it most likely meant she was an imminent threat to herself and/or others.
     
  17. richardlpalmer

    richardlpalmer Kirkland, WA Active Member

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    The article definitely said that was the case. No question there.

    And maybe this is just a bit of tin foil poking out from under my hat, but it gives me pause to consider anyone could be held (even if mistakenly) like that. As the quote said, "In an interview as agents inventoried the guns, Lynette Phillips said that while she’d been held involuntarily in a mental hospital in December, the nurse who admitted her had exaggerated the magnitude of her condition."
     
  18. oknow

    oknow amboy wa. Well-Known Member

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    that's convincing
     
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  19. mosinguy1

    mosinguy1 out by the ocean Active Member

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    All it takes in most cases is for an officer to THINK you may be a threat to yourself or others......... pee off the cop you go in for observation and bye bye guns...... that is FUBAR!!!!!!!!!!! And yes all they have to do is think it.
     
  20. Skanska1

    Skanska1 silverdale New Member

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    Good point