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California Democrat proposes mandatory gun registration

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by Chee-to, Apr 8, 2010.

  1. Chee-to

    Chee-to Oregon Well-Known Member

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    California Democrat proposes mandatory gun registration

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504383_162-20001885-504383.html

    A California Democrat is proposing a new law requiring residents to register their shotguns and rifles or go to jail, CBSNews.com has learned.

    Assemblyman Mike Feuer, whose district includes Beverly Hill and West Hollywood, this week introduced legislation ordering law enforcement to "permanently keep" records of anyone who buys a gun from a dealer or an individual. California already stores information about handgun purchases.

    Feuer is no friend of firearms owners: his previous legislative effort, which Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger signed into law, required all new handguns to include "microstamping" technology that can imprint serial numbers on spent ammunition casings. As a Los Angeles city councilman, Feuer proposed limiting city residents to one gun a month.

    Feuer spokeswoman Arianna Smith declined to answer questions about the bill on Tuesday afternoon, saying the staff member involved was in a meeting and not immediately available.

    The proposal comes as the U.S. Supreme Court is considering a landmark civil rights case, McDonald v. Chicago, which will decide whether Second Amendment rights in the federal constitution trump state anti-gun laws. But California is proposing mandatory registration -- and not a flat ban, as Washington, D.C. once tried and the justices rejected -- and even legal scholars specializing in this area disagree about whether registration is constitutional.

    "Even though the constitutionality of such a measure is a close call, it is a horrible public policy choice," says Gene Hoffman, chairman of the CalGuns Foundation. "Just as Canada is about to do away with their long gun registry after squandering $1 billion, California wishes to attack law abiding gun owners for firearms not used in crime."

    A CBC News article last month reported that the Canadian parliament is backing away from the nation's gun registry, which was enacted in 1989 and has now come under fire by critics who call it a billion-dollar boondoggle.

    Feuer's bill isn't exactly a surprise: He told the Brady Campaign, an anti-gun advocacy group, earlier this year that his forthcoming proposal would give law enforcement another tool to track down people in possession of illegal firearms. "This legislation will close a glaring loophole and ensure that all firearm records, not just handgun records, are maintained for law enforcement purposes," Ellen Boneparth, spokesperson for the California Brady Campaign Chapters, said in a statement at the time.

    Feuer appears to have adopted an unusual approach to introducing his mandatory registration bill. He took an existing piece of criminal legislation, AB 1810, that dealt with graffiti and vandalism, and replaced it with a completely new version with the same bill number.

    A hearing is scheduled for April 13 in Sacramento before the California State Assembly's Committee on Public Safety.

    At the moment, a minority of states including New York, Maryland, California, New Jersey, and Massachusetts require mandatory registration for handguns. Others, like Pennsylvania, require sales of handguns to go through a dealer, who keeps records of the transaction.

    No federal firearm registry exists, though some anti-gun types have pushed for one in the past. An unsuccessful 1995 bill, H.R. 169, would have imposed California-style registration of handguns nationwide through a "federal handgun registration system." Violations would have been punished by up to 12 years in prison. The author of the bill, Rep. Cardiss Collins, D-Illinois, told her colleagues at the time that "I still believe the best way to control handguns is to ban them outright."
     
  2. Silver Fox

    Silver Fox Puyallup, WA Well-Known Member

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    Cat is out of the bag, so game on!

    SF-
     
  3. longcolt

    longcolt Zephyrhills, FL Active Member

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    Interesting that at a time when the state of California is opening the doors of their prisons and letting criminals out because they cannot afford to house them they want to put all gun owners in the slammer for 12 years.

    Looks like the nuts are in charge of the nuthouse down there.:laugh: Can you imagine the cost of putting all those long gun owners in jail??

    I think if all the owners of shotguns and rifles lined up in front of the state house and stood together and said lock us up, that would send a message to the legislature. Heck well over half the folks in CA own a rifle or shotgun.

    Sounds like its time for a public protest in CA if the residents want to retain their gun rights.
     
  4. Trlsmn

    Trlsmn In Utero (Portland) Well-Known Member

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    Californian politicians can't afford to buy a clue!
     
  5. huntpotter

    huntpotter SW WA Negotiator Bronze Supporter

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    Hopefully California legislators will tag on a surcharge, to your registration, so they can pay for new jackboots, and send the CHP to goose step class.
     
  6. Dyjital

    Dyjital Albany, Ore Flavorite Member Bronze Supporter

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    Boooooooo
     
  7. simpleguy

    simpleguy Clackamas Active Member

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    So is his name "Mike Feuer" or "Mike Fuhrer"?
    :)
     
  8. MountainBear

    MountainBear Sweet Home, OR Well-Known Member

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    I can't figure out whether I would prefer Southern California just fall off the map, or whether we should just give it back to Mexico. We can fold NoCal and Southern Oregon into the State of Jefferson and SoCal can be Mexico again...
     
  9. simpleguy

    simpleguy Clackamas Active Member

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    Ah, you are familiar with your history and the State of Jefferson, would have been interesting to see what would have happened had WWII not happened and that would have taken hold. I never knew about it until I started listening to the Thomas Jefferson Hour on podcast.

    As for So. Cal..........in theory I would like to think we could give it back to Mexico, then again, in a purple skies and rainbows world, we would eliminate all firearms laws, roll in to every gang infested area with AR/AK's and Glocks and start holding self defense/firearms training classes. Though it would get really bloody for the first few months, my guess is the bad guys would have to find something else to do in pretty short order, after that Liberty and order would crush liberalism.
     
  10. KRISSTDI

    KRISSTDI Oregon Member

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    California laws have been really messed up the past decade. I am so glad military members dont have to go through the crap the civilians have to while being stationed there. I have been to dozens of gunshops in San Diego and Los Angeles over the past 15 years and the guns are so limited and the features you have to have are pathetic to say the least. These are laws I would never follow and I dont have to while being stationed there.

    I had one of my older Colt LE carbines and was shooting at the range one time and an LEO asked to see my credentials and I told him I dont need them and here you can take a look at my AW permit and my AD ID card and he said thanks and said that if I was a civilian I would have just committed a felony and would have been arrested. To me that was crazy.

    We ended up BSing for a good 30 mins about the laws...

    My point is that just owning a Colt LE carbine or any "Stamped LE" carbine with over 10 round magazines can get you arrested there. God forbid you have 30 round mags.

    Even with my AW permit I can only have Class 1 rifles and you are only allowed 10 round magazines. Anything over that is considered a felony to use with your rifle.
     
  11. Jamie6.5

    Jamie6.5 Western OR Well-Known Member

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    We already are giving SoCal back to Mexico,...

    One baby at a time.
     
  12. MountainBear

    MountainBear Sweet Home, OR Well-Known Member

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    They're welcome to it...
     
  13. tallshipsgo

    tallshipsgo Springfield OR Well-Known Member

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    Having been out of the PRC for less than a year this is not surprising at all. Nothing new with this type of thing at all. By the way, they've already increased the DROS fees (dealer record of sale) to cover some of the new gun ban laws, er, I mean gun control measures they've implemented (DROS is short for Dealer Record of Sale - same thing as the paperwork you fill out here to buy a gun, it's $10 here and $30 [or more, I don't recall what they raised it to but it was $25] there). Plus there's a ten day "cooling off" period and only one a month with handguns. The dipstick governator finally signed the back-door gun ban last year with the new ammo purchasing/selling restriction bill (that he vetoed three times prior). He's suckling the federal teat and answers to his masters in DC. I'm so happy we defected.

    By the way, Mexico can have the entire thing - not just SoCal. Let them deal with SF, Berkeley, Oakland, Richmond, San Jose, Sacramento as well as all the sewage in the southland. Was that overly harsh? Probably - I apologize. :D
     
  14. AKMark

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    This nonsense always depresses me. California laws are simply horrifying, on the other hand, it could be worse.

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  15. greydog111

    greydog111 peoples repubilik of Oregon Active Member

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    Another case for giving Kalifornia back to the Mexi's. Look how well they are handling Mexico's narco problems. Maybe the commizars of Sacramento would have a change of heart living under the govt of folks like Vincente Fox or the current clueless Pres of Mexaco. The water in Sacramento must be tainted from the LSD runoff from San Francisco!! Greydog.:p