CA - Shoppers stock up on rifles, shotguns before long-gun registry begins

[Blitzkrieg]

The usual suspects have been rounded up and are posting poison again

 

[U201491]

The usual suspects have been rounded up and are posting poison again

Yes like irritating fleas.

 

[erudne]

The new registration requirements will barely change anything to the acquisition of firearms in California. It is already nearly the same procedure for purchasing a handgun and long gun in California - both have the same paperwork and 10 day waiting period. Long gun serial numbers were not previously recorded in the state database, now they will be, just like they've been doing for 20+ years for the handguns. The only practical implication now is that when a person takes up residence in California, they will have to submit the registration form for each of the long guns they bring into the state, which before was only the case for hand guns. Any firearms that were acquired prior to enactment of registration requirement do not have to be registered, and are legal to possess in California. Also, there is no impact on persons visiting California with firearms.


Disclaimer for the panic people:
This is just to clarify the technical details of the new law, not to state my political opinion on it

The murder rate in L.A. is almost 3 per day, despite every anti-2A law passed in 60 years
Gun Control is not crime control and only affects the law abiding, non-criminals but it is a necessity for the coming Police State

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Everyone go back to sleep, Grima Wormtongue has spoken

 

[1stklass]

Then say good bye to your gun rights. Actually, you can reduce violence and crime with common sense solutions. Conservatives, liberals, and moderates have all proposed changes that don't involve gun control but do help reduce violence. No one solution solves everything. It's a matter of many changes adding up to a safer environment. But it takes political will and realizing that the 'perfect' is often the enemy of the 'good'.

You really believe that? How many times have i heard liberals say "if it saves JUST ONE CHILD!!! In a country of 300+ million people, there will always be "JUST ONE CHILD" being murdered with a gun. Most likely in Detroit, Chicago, LA or New York City where the gun laws are already the strictest in the country. If we went 5 years with no gun deaths liberals would still be trying to cram gun laws down your throats.

"They who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety".
Benjamin Franklin

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Don't fret, Grima, we know your fate, even if it was redacted from the movie

 

[Brutus57]

Improve public safety? More guns in the hands of trained, law abiding citizens. And a block, by block search and seizure of all weapons owned by felons in the roughest neighborhoods with the highest crime. Since now NSA doesn't need a warrant why should LAPD or Chicago PD???? Ahh, is it because the current admin and his gang only enforce the laws they like??? Those of us on the right side of patriotism have made our choice. Those who support the current usurper of the Constitution have made theirs. Yes, it is getting that bad. Get ready cause DHS and the rest of the alphabets feel they are above the law.

Brutus Out

 

[Caveman Jim]

What you liberals don't understand is that registration leads to confiscation!!!
Don't for one second think that I'm crazy, it is already happening in NYC & CA!!!

 

[Blitzkrieg]

What you liberals don't understand is that registration leads to confiscation!!!
Don't for one second think that I'm crazy, it is already happening in NYC & CA!!!

Brother, I think they do mostly understand and relish the thought, including our demise. They are in for a huge surprise

 

[MikeE]

You really believe that? How many times have i heard liberals say "if it saves JUST ONE CHILD!!! In a country of 300+ million people, there will always be "JUST ONE CHILD" being murdered with a gun. Most likely in Detroit, Chicago, LA or New York City where the gun laws are already the strictest in the country. If we went 5 years with no gun deaths liberals would still be trying to cram gun laws down your throats.

"They who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety".
Benjamin Franklin

That's probably true with committed anti-gun folks. But beside the point. The middle, undecideds are the folks that need to be brought over. Politicians have one skill, and that's the ability to count. How do pro 2A people communicate with people who are not single-issue voters but are concerned with their own safety? The Connecticut anti-gun laws were passed because that's the state where Sandy Hook massacre happened.
At some point we decide either to bring in new supporters or start losing the political battle. Most people in this country are turned off by extremist language and posturing.
Find better arguments.

 

[erudne]

What you liberals don't understand is that registration leads to confiscation!!!
Don't for one second think that I'm crazy, it is already happening in NYC & CA!!!

Oh they understand perfectly they know what a Fifth Colum is and they know that Posse Comitatus has been repealed. They also know that 75,000 ministers have joined with DHS, they know that Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts have been co-opted by DHS as spys and para-military units

 

[simon99]

Then say good bye to your gun rights. Actually, you can reduce violence and crime with common sense solutions. Conservatives, liberals, and moderates have all proposed changes that don't involve gun control but do help reduce violence. No one solution solves everything. It's a matter of many changes adding up to a safer environment. But it takes political will and realizing that the 'perfect' is often the enemy of the 'good'.

Your comment actually highlights the real issue.... Pandora's Box has been opened by this "progressive" thinking, thinking that has strayed away from generations of laws both natural and man-made in the name of tolerance, "common sense" , leniency, and all the other utopian Marxist fantasy speak of the left. Now that we are neck deep in the mess that the left has created they refuse to own up to the problems they've built. So, as Socialists always do, lacking political backbone, they shift blame and ask for more government intervention as business as usual. Maybe once, just for a social experiment, if we only followed the thousands of laws already on the books, quit adding more, and see what happens to society? We might be surprised at what we could accomplish as a Nation and reclaim our spot at #1 again.

 

[erudne]

School children have been offered up to $200 for info about their parents (499-Tips)

 

[U201491]

Your comment actually highlights the real issue.... Pandora's Box has been opened by this "progressive" thinking, thinking that has strayed away from generations of laws both natural and man-made in the name of tolerance, "common sense" , leniency, and all the other utopian Marxist fantasy speak of the left. Now that we are neck deep in the mess that the left has created they refuse to own up to the problems they've built. So, as Socialists always do, lacking political backbone, they shift blame and ask for more government intervention as business as usual. Maybe once, just for a social experiment, if we only followed the thousands of laws already on the books, quit adding more, and see what happens to society? We might be surprised at what we could accomplish as a Nation and reclaim our spot at #1 again.

 

[erudne]

Obama has his private army as well as the Reg military and school kids to rat on us and gun us down, just like hitler did

 

[U201491]

That's probably true with committed anti-gun folks. But beside the point. The middle, undecideds are the folks that need to be brought over. Politicians have one skill, and that's the ability to count. How do pro 2A people communicate with people who are not single-issue voters but are concerned with their own safety? The Connecticut anti-gun laws were passed because that's the state where Sandy Hook massacre happened.
At some point we decide either to bring in new supporters or start losing the political battle. Most people in this country are turned off by extremist language and posturing.
Find better arguments.

Liberal socialist marxists and Communists ARE the extremists.
They are who is and has been fing up this country.
Its about time to pin that label where it really belongs !

 

[1stklass]

That's probably true with committed anti-gun folks. But beside the point. The middle, undecideds are the folks that need to be brought over. Politicians have one skill, and that's the ability to count. How do pro 2A people communicate with people who are not single-issue voters but are concerned with their own safety? The Connecticut anti-gun laws were passed because that's the state where Sandy Hook massacre happened.
At some point we decide either to bring in new supporters or start losing the political battle. Most people in this country are turned off by extremist language and posturing.
Find better arguments.

An argument can only be won if logic is present on both sides of the argument. Right now there is no argument. Liberals base all their decisions regarding guns on their EMOTIONS. It isnt extreme to say, "why are you trying to ban AR15's when they (and all rifles combined) are used in less than 5 percent of all gun related crimes? Because the guns are black??? sounds racist to me. They dont shoot any different.

No matter what voice you use to tell them the real numbers they will always squawk and squeal about guns because they believe in real life that they walk out the door into a Hollywood set and can be blasted at any moment when in reality the chance of that happening is .000030 percent. The chance of being a victim of long gun crime??? .0000012 percent.

Liberals need to feel important enough that a Dexter Morgan, or a Sniper with a 50 BMG or Jason from Friday the 13th is waiting around any and every corner for them. Someone needs to tell them nobody cares about them. Nobody wants them dead and at the same time nobody cares if they continue breathing or not. (not even pro-gun people)

MikeE, you cant get better numbers than those statistics. Those are PERFECT arguments. I think my odds are about the same sticking a poodle in a microwave and hoping it turns into a pet elephant.

 

[1stklass]

Ohhhh, and changing a middle of the road undecided voter into a pro 2A person is easy. As long as they are not buried in their conviction that guns are bad, just take them shooting!

 

[MikeE]

An argument can only be won if logic is present on both sides of the argument. Right now there is no argument. Liberals base all their decisions regarding guns on their EMOTIONS. It isnt extreme to say, "why are you trying to ban AR15's when they (and all rifles combined) are used in less than 5 percent of all gun related crimes? Because the guns are black??? sounds racist to me. They dont shoot any different.

No matter what voice you use to tell them the real numbers they will always squawk and squeal about guns because they believe in real life that they walk out the door into a Hollywood set and can be blasted at any moment when in reality the chance of that happening is .000030 percent. The chance of being a victim of long gun crime??? .0000012 percent.

Liberals need to feel important enough that a Dexter Morgan, or a Sniper with a 50 BMG or Jason from Friday the 13th is waiting around any and every corner for them. Someone needs to tell them nobody cares about them. Nobody wants them dead and at the same time nobody cares if they continue breathing or not. (not even pro-gun people)

MikeE, you cant get better numbers than those statistics. Those are PERFECT arguments. I think my odds are about the same sticking a poodle in a microwave and hoping it turns into a pet elephant.

Your argument about AR15's is a good one. Yes, some people can't hear that, but many folks just don't know. They really don't have the facts. I've seen people you would call liberals change how they think by exposing them to some simple facts about guns and showing how the problem is more complicated than what they think.
I've also seen people dig in their heels when they get hit with a blast of political propaganda.
If you want to change people's minds, you can't talk to them like they are the Anti-Christ. I don't mean the committed anti-gun people. I'm talking about the majority of people who haven't really thought the issue through.

 

[erudne]

A simple trip to California will show that, no, it isn't just like Syria, with a three way shooting civil war going on, with foreign powers pumping in arms to various factions, and tens of thousands of dead, millions of refugees.

It isn't like Russia 1921, with the entire country starving to death in sub-zero temperatures, and three foreign powers occupying its territory, with millions of dead and displaced people.

It's also highly unlikely that long-gun registry will cause an armed insurrection amongst the middle class, over-fed gun owning community.

This is the kind of stupid rhetorical b.s. that makes it so difficult to develop coherent arguments against the coming of dumb California-type gun laws in Oregon.
'Something' will always beat 'nothing' in politics, even if that 'something' is stupid. If all we have, as pro A2 people, is imaginary nonsense to offer the public - or saying gun control laws will lead directly to the Cheka busting in the door, or that the liberal elected majority party is a version of the Nazi Party or, Communist Party, the public will ignore our arguments.

We need to talk about how to increase public safety, and the positive role that people who are capable of self-defense play in improving public safety. We should talk about the causes of violence, ways to reduce violence, and then show how ineffective gun control laws are. The NRA was partly correct to call for an armed presence in 'gun free zones', but that only goes a tiny way to solving the problems of violence.

The truth is that most tools for increasing self-protection have nothing to do with guns, one way or the other. We need to expand the debate if we are going to bring the public over - which is very possible, theoretically.
The problem is that gun rights are now married to right wing politics, and most of the public are not right-wing extremists, racists, or fanatical anti-communists. Most people are moderate.

Mike as usual your Critical Theory, Frankfurt School attempt to swing the thread to Obama Talking Points has failed. LA County has 3 murders a day and the cops, ruled by socialists will do nothing to end the carnage because as you know chaos is necessary before full blown communisim can be implemented, cheered on by you and your inbred cronnys.
One does not need to travel to CA, one can look-up the crime stats for all the Socialist controlled states on the net, the story is the same, vastly higher crime and social decay.
PS
I'm IN Kali NOW, in a very wealthy private estate, behind a guarded gate and barbed wire fence. w/motion sensors flood lights and two double locked doors plus bullet resistant glass due to the non-existant crime you prattle on about