BUNDY RANCH TYPE STANDOFF BREWING IN SOUTHERN OREGON BETWEEN MINERS AND BLM

Xader · Apr 29, 2015

NoFlinch said:
Where are the Oath Keepers and Patriot Railroad people from this area on this?

Are there any?

We are organizing in FB groups. PM me if you want the links.

Xader · Apr 30, 2015

We had quite a scare this afternoon.

Around noon, two helicopters were sighted making short touch-downs within the security perimeter. An alert message was disseminated through the command structure and teams around the Northwest were scrambled.

On-site security teams secured the site and determined that civilian aircraft were making practice landings in a clearing.

The all-clear was sounded around 2PM.

NoFlinch · Apr 30, 2015

Sheese!

I'd call the news outlets again.....

BLM Probably won't make any irrational decisions (and hopefully the PC won' t either!!) with more news coverage.

TRUST ME!
This needs to be defused B4 something happens.

MinnesotaORnewbie · Apr 30, 2015

JRuby said:
Excuse me none issue.

He's simply telling you read up on what a claim is, how to get one, and what it allows you to and your rights. It's pretty easy for you to sit in your recliner and just say, show me. You don't know what your talking about so your kind of looking like a fool.

NoFlinch · Apr 30, 2015

MinnesotaORnewbie said:
He's simply telling you read up on what a claim is, how to get one, and what it allows you to and your rights. It's pretty easy for you to sit in your recliner and just say, show me. You don't know what your talking about so your kind of looking like a fool.

THET Mon!

I, along with most others, I would imagine, have no intention of spending time "read up on what a claim is, how to get one, and what it allows you to and your rights"..................

"Allows you to"....................uh.............."allows you to"..............uh.....what???

I have a dog to feed now

eliduc · May 8, 2015

If you have the filed claim you have the mineral rights. However, the claim must be worked(improved). This is so squatters don't file a claim for the purpose of just aquiring the land. Just like a drivers license the claim must be renewed after a designated period of time. I once worked for Untied States Pumice Mine in Momo County in Calif. They let several claims lapse and someone filed on them the next day. There are responsibilities involved in maintaining and keeping a claim. Just because a person filed a claim 100 years ago doesn't mean that it is a valid claim today. A mining claim is not a deed. I am not supporting the BLM in this. Just saying.

U201491 · May 8, 2015

eliduc said:
If you have the filed claim you have the mineral rights. However, the claim must be worked(improved). This is so squatters don't file a claim for the purpose of just aquiring the land. Just like a drivers license the claim must be renewed after a designated period of time. I once worked for Untied States Pumice Mine in Momo County in Calif. They let several claims lapse and someone filed on them the next day. There are responsibilities involved in maintaining and keeping a claim. Just because a person filed a claim 100 years ago doesn't mean that it is a valid claim today. A mining claim is not a deed. I am not supporting the BLM in this. Just saying.

This mine has been worked and improved non stop since the first claim times.
That is the argument and the grounds they stand on.

Sabertooth · May 11, 2015

Taku said:
I caught 3 Russians operating an illegal gillnet on the Columbia at night 2 years ago, so lets outlaw fishing on the Columbia.
Same fricken logic.

In Oregon you can get a permit to gillnet pretty much anywhere on the Columbia river.
The permits are for CARP only and you can get one. Now what are you going to do with all them carp?? Well according to the ODFG person I talked, to the Russians eat them. So unless you asked to see there permit, well careful.

Sabertooth · May 12, 2015

MinnesotaORnewbie said:
He's simply telling you read up on what a claim is, how to get one, and what it allows you to and your rights. It's pretty easy for you to sit in your recliner and just say, show me. You don't know what your talking about so your kind of looking like a fool.

Condensed version.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Mining_Act_of_1872

Sabertooth · May 12, 2015

eliduc said:
If you have the filed claim you have the mineral rights. However, the claim must be worked(improved). This is so squatters don't file a claim for the purpose of just aquiring the land. Just like a drivers license the claim must be renewed after a designated period of time. I once worked for Untied States Pumice Mine in Momo County in Calif. They let several claims lapse and someone filed on them the next day. There are responsibilities involved in maintaining and keeping a claim. Just because a person filed a claim 100 years ago doesn't mean that it is a valid claim today. A mining claim is not a deed. I am not supporting the BLM in this. Just saying.

Unless the claim is patented.

Riot · May 12, 2015

eliduc said:
If you have the filed claim you have the mineral rights. However, the claim must be worked(improved). This is so squatters don't file a claim for the purpose of just aquiring the land. Just like a drivers license the claim must be renewed after a designated period of time. I once worked for Untied States Pumice Mine in Momo County in Calif. They let several claims lapse and someone filed on them the next day. There are responsibilities involved in maintaining and keeping a claim. Just because a person filed a claim 100 years ago doesn't mean that it is a valid claim today. A mining claim is not a deed. I am not supporting the BLM in this. Just saying.

What you are claiming is post 1955 surface resource act grandfather clause. The Sugar Pine Mine has been a mine since the 1800s...

Has the mine passed through hands since it's original opening? Yes.

Imagine owning a home and handing it down from person to person through trusts then a government agency, with a deputy, shows up and tells you to move out, the house isn't yours, the laws changed and good luck fighting it...

We get that if you just started putting up a mine in the middle of nowhere you've got to abide by certain laws, regulations, licenses and conditions. Nobody is disputing that.

But just because nobody has been working in the mine until recently doesn't mean they're suddenly subjected to the 1955 resource act.

Just like how you might not be able to dig any more wells on your property, that doesn't automatically mean you can't repair or re-dig an existing well...

Xader · May 20, 2015

**MAJOR VICTORY TODAY**

Today marks a victory for defenders of the Constitution at the Sugar Pine Mine in Merlin, OR.

This morning, the Interior Board of Land Appeals issued a Stay of Enforcement against the BLM, barring them from any enforcement action against the mine prior to the scheduled court date.

Pursuant to this, the Oath Keepers of Josephine County have issued a stand down order for security forces at the mine.

Through the tireless efforts of the Oath Keepers, III% groups, Patriot Railroad (and of course the donations made by Tactical bubblegum and the members of this group), and other affiliated groups, the miners have not been deprived of their 4th and 5th Amendment rights against unwarranted search and seizure and due process.

Great job Patriots!

http://oathkeepersjoco.com

U201491 · May 20, 2015

Sabertooth said:
In Oregon you can get a permit to gillnet pretty much anywhere on the Columbia river.
The permits are for CARP only and you can get one. Now what are you going to do with all them carp?? Well according to the ODFG person I talked, to the Russians eat them. So unless you asked to see there permit, well careful.

Actually they make the best crab bait in the world. I used to catch and sell carp to Tony's Fish market when they did their own crabbing. I made a good amount of money when I was growing up doing it.

U201491 · May 21, 2015

Riot said:
What you are claiming is post 1955 surface resource act grandfather clause. The Sugar Pine Mine has been a mine since the 1800s...

Has the mine passed through hands since it's original opening? Yes.

Imagine owning a home and handing it down from person to person through trusts then a government agency, with a deputy, shows up and tells you to move out, the house isn't yours, the laws changed and good luck fighting it...

We get that if you just started putting up a mine in the middle of nowhere you've got to abide by certain laws, regulations, licenses and conditions. Nobody is disputing that.

But just because nobody has been working in the mine until recently doesn't mean they're suddenly subjected to the 1955 resource act.

Just like how you might not be able to dig any more wells on your property, that doesn't automatically mean you can't repair or re-dig an existing well...