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Bullet mistakenly fired through 3 Troutdale apts.

Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by CascadeSam, Apr 3, 2013.

  1. CascadeSam

    CascadeSam Portland Oregon Active Member

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    TROUTDALE, Ore. -- A Troutdale man was reportedly cleaning his gun when it discharged, sending a bullet into the apartment next door, and then into an empty apartment next to that, police said.

    A woman in the adjacent apartment was hurt when part of her wall broke free and hit her in the head, according to Sergeant Carey Kaer of the Troutdale Police Department.

    It happened just after 11 a.m. Wednesday in the 3000 block of Corbeth Lane, Kaer said.

    The bullet ended up in the unoccupied third apartment. Police did not say whether the 30-year-old gun owner would face any charges.


    Bullet mistakenly fired through 3 Troutdale apts. - Local News - Portland, OR | NBC News
     
  2. civilian75

    civilian75 Hillsboro, OR Well-Known Member

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    Why is it that negligent discharges seem to always occur while "cleaning a gun"? He will be darn lucky if charges are not filed!
     
  3. Hrethgir

    Hrethgir Beaverton, OR Active Member

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    In all the owners manuals that came with my guns, step one in the cleaning section is MAKE SURE THE GUN IS UNLOADED AND THE CHAMBER IS EMPTY! Idiot could have easily killed someone, I hope charges are filed.
     
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  4. Scott

    Scott Battle Ground Well-Known Member

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    Most people don't read the owners manual or the hunter safety manual.

    Stupid people own guns and hunt too. All of these are completely avoidable if people would pay attention. But that will never happen.
     
  5. fstdraw

    fstdraw Salem Active Member

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    Yep, file chargres if any can be made. Considering how quickly this

    stupid act can effect a number of people, permanently, we don't need

    this guy as a gun owner.
     
  6. Nick Burkhardt

    Nick Burkhardt NE Oregon Well-Known Member

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    It must have been one of those ill-tempered Glocks.
     
  7. Otter

    Otter Oregon - mid Willamette Valley Active Member

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    Pretty sure the 2nd amendment extends the same rights to stupid people as well as intelligent people.
     
  8. SynapticSilence

    SynapticSilence Battle Ground, WA Well-Known Member

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    They charged him with reckless endangerment. Rightly so. One thing like this makes all of us look bad. Basic firearms safety ain't rocket science.
     
  9. bellarum

    bellarum beaverton Well-Known Member

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    He probably looked down the barrel, and when he didn't see any light, he realized that he had some sort of blockage that needed to somehow be removed. He put the barrel in his mouth and tried to suck it out. When that didn't work he checked it for live ammo and pulled the trigger. Lucky he didn't remove himself or others!
     
  10. Mac_Fan

    Mac_Fan Beaverton Active Member

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    Idiot.
     
  11. 2506

    2506 Seattle Well-Known Member

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    Because 'cleaning my gun' sounds better than 'I was twirling it on my finger and practicing my quick-draw.' What a maroon.
     
  12. Morpheus

    Morpheus Columbia Gorge Anyway, back on the farm.

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    In other news, someone was hit on the freeway for making a lane change without looking.
    OR
    In other news, someone used a propane stove indoors and almost killed family of 5.
    OR
    In other news, 6 year old drowns in pool while parents are watching Jerry Springer.

    IE Stupid people do stupid things, and they should be punished accordingly!
     
  13. CLT65

    CLT65 Yamhill County Active Member

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    Here's an excerpt I found online from a book:

    The finger behind the trigger that day was none other than Bill Jordan, one of the most famous handgunners of all times, an experienced lawman and certainly no stranger to guns or gun safety.

    Not everyone who has a negligent discharge is an idiot who should be drawn and quartered for their stupidity. No, they should never happen, and there is no good excuse for them, but they do happen. I read about accidents and am reminded that you just can't be too careful when it comes to things like this. One of the best things you can do is to establish some strong safety habits, or "learned instinct".

    It may seem silly to some to visually check any gun you pick up, even if you checked it before handing it to your buddy, who also checked it. It may seem silly to always, always have it pointed in a safe direction when you pull the trigger, even if you just checked it three times and are absolutely positive it's empty.

    Practicing these rules (and others) might seem silly when you absolutely know there's no danger, but if you do it every time you will ingrain these safety habits in your brain to where they are a form of instinct. When the day comes that you are under stress, tired, distracted, or just not thinking, these habits will protect you.

    I don't know the particulars of this Troutdale guy's accident, but I wouldn't be so quick to crucify the guy. Whether he's charged and convicted or not, I'd say he got really lucky. Had his neighbor been directly in the way of that bullet, he would have to live with that the rest of his life, like Bill Jordan.
     
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  14. CLT65

    CLT65 Yamhill County Active Member

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  15. fstdraw

    fstdraw Salem Active Member

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    I can't believe anyone would try in anyway, shape or form...to justify or make excuses for these morons. You just don't get a second chance when firing a bullet, you must be smarter than the gun. Living w/the consequence is not enough.
     
  16. OFADAN

    OFADAN Brownsville, OR Well-Known Member

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    Flopsweat Slightly right of center Well-Known Member

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    I hope you're not defending the guy in the original story or Mr. Jordan. In both cases they broke every basic safety rule - every one of them.
     
  18. SynapticSilence

    SynapticSilence Battle Ground, WA Well-Known Member

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    The fact the guy lives in a multi-occupancy dwelling with the associated thin walls and floors just makes his negligence in this instance even less excusable. Ad how many of us buy the "cleaning my gun" story? The last time I heard that one used was a guy who was practicing fast draws in his apartment and put a round through his apartment wall right into the middle of his neighbor's 52" HDTV. He lied to the police and said he was cleaning his gun but later confessed to the speed draw idiocy.
     
  19. CLT65

    CLT65 Yamhill County Active Member

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    Wow, you guys totally missed my point, completely. :(

    I wasn't defending or making excuses for anyone. My point was that it's not just "stupid idiots" that make mistakes. Sometimes intelligent, educated, good people make really bad mistakes.

    There is absolutely no excuse for making a mistake with a deadly weapon, which is why they need to be handled and used so carefully, and complacency can be just as dangerous as inexperience.

    My other point is that saying that anyone who has a negligent discharge is an "idiot loser moron" is not helpful at all. Bill Jordan was not an idiot, but he sure made a horrible, deadly mistake.

    It could easily happen to you, if you get complacent and aren't careful. Does that make you a loser moron? I've had an accidental discharge before. Am I a loser moron? Fortunately the gun was pointed in a safe direction and nobody was injured.

    I have worked around some really scary stuff in my line of work, and take tons of required safety training annually. Inexperience can be a killer. Complacency is a big killer. Not being safety conscious and having good safety habits is a huge killer. In my training I've seen to many stories and gruesome photos of people seriously injured or killed on the job because they made a mistake. It doesn't just happen to idiots.

    All I'm trying to get at is this: don't go thinking that stuff like that only happens to "loser idiots" therefore it couldn't happen to you because you're smart. It could happen to any one of us if we get careless or complacent, so keep your guard up and stay safe.
     
  20. Misterbill

    Misterbill Yakima County, Washington New Member

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    I understand that people make mistakes. We all do. Making a mistake that jeopardizes the lives of other people through carelessness is a crime in most places, no matter whether it's a gun or a car or a can of gasoline.

    Having a ND while cleaning a gun that results in firing a bullet through the apartment wall is SO negligent that I have no trouble at all with the guy being charged with a crime. If he'd been following rule#1, even an ND would have had no possible dangerous results. It's the equivalent of driving 80 MPH in a crowded residential neighborhood. Sure, he didn't MEAN to hit the kid, but anyone with any sense and reasonable sense of caution wouldn't have been doing it.