Brutality. Masked robber killed by store owner................ With a Knife..

[HA556]

Seems to me a number of things at play here the most important of which is what is the law where it happened, 2nd is the culture where it happened (ie prosecutor willingness and jury).

For example if the law there is deadly force is legal "if a reasonable person would be believe to be in fear for their life" then would the perp jumping over the counter rise to that level? To some it would to others maybe not.

To me if he had been robbed many times in the past by poeple with weapons maybe that would be a factor in whether it was a reasonable response or not (for the very reason you mentioned, if he waited he may have ended up dead).

So to me it seems to be a grey area and that's why we all need to know the laws where we are and also the culture.

Also I think any actions that would be considered "passive/non aggressive/non-escalating" in trying to stop the attack (Fe telling them to stop, get back, moving backwards, etc.) all help in showing it was self defense.

A few things I can see that work in the owner's favor are the perps were the instigator (not the owner), I didn't see any actions by the owner to "prime the pump" in the conflict (ie he didn't "dare" them, escalate, etc), the owner told them several times to stop, just leave, etc. I think all those things will be helpful in showing self defense. But all just IMO...

Another thought is that to us seeing it on video it may appear the perp jumped the counter to steal stuff. But if we were there and we told them several times to stop, leave etc then the guy suddenly jumped over the counter at us we might think he is jumping the counter to attack us.

Everything here! ^^^. Why I had some mixed feelings. Not knowing local laws, neighborhood and local tensions. This could go a few different ways and the employee ending up on a very short stick. I was not abdicating any sympathy to the perps whatsoever.

 

[BrentN]

The clerk was accommodating to the thieves right up to the point masked black hoody jumped the counter, at that point, I would feel extremely threatened. Sure, watch the video dozens of times in slow mo or whatever to come up with an opinion, how old we think they were, what were their real intentions, and in our current culture of go "cower in the corner" while perps have their way, this does look brutal, but the clerk had to make a very quick decision. Was he going to grab that box of edibles and then shoot the clerk?
Every day we get to hear about shop owners assaulted and murdered, McD's workers shot in the face over cold fries, people randomly assaulted on the streets. Little to no police available to help, crooked DA's letting the pukes out to do it all over again. Regardless of opinion, when the thin blue line disappears in a society devolving into chaos, this will automatically be the result, courts be damned.

 

[sobo]

In many jurisdictions that does happen. If one of the scum die committing a crime, the others involved are charged with murder. It often happens with someone who is just the get away driver or lookout. Not sure how NEV law works but, I would love to see them charge the other moron for the death of his buddy.

And don't forget to charge the third moron holding the door open throughout the whole thing. He was obviously part of the trio, too. Check the 0:37 mark.

And while you're at it, check the 0:33 mark as well. Mr. SkinnyArms looks like he's coming back to help out Mr. Pincushion, but then changes his mind. You can see SkinnyArms' reflection in the glass of the soda pop vending machine. He comes back, thinks about it some more, and then skedaddles!

 

[sobo]

Basement Pot Shop Koreans don't f around.
Yowza

FIFY...

 

[pharmseller]

Let's say you're the clerk and you don't assume bad intent when the kid jumps the counter. Two outcomes, the kid is benign, steals some stuff and jumps back over the counter. Good deal.

Or, the kid has a gun. You hang back and maybe, just maybe you get shot. Called third strike, you go down looking.

At what point does the clerk get to assume the worst and take steps to protect himself?

I'd say when the robber hopped the counter and closed the distance.

No true bill in my mind.

 

[sobo]

Let's say you're the clerk and you don't assume bad intent when the kid jumps the counter. Two outcomes, the kid is benign, steals some stuff and jumps back over the counter. Good deal.

Or, the kid has a gun. You hang back and maybe, just maybe you get shot. Called third strike, you go down looking.

At what point does the clerk get to assume the worst and take steps to protect himself?

I'd say when the robber hopped the counter and closed the distance.

No true bill in my mind.

I'm totally with ya. I said that same thing in the other thread as well.

 

[pharmseller]

I'm totally with ya. I said that same thing in the other thread as well.

You're still a girl.

Maybe a communist, too, I haven't decided.

 

[sobo]

You're still a girl.

Maybe a communist, too, I haven't decided.

Damn, Big Pharma... You're a tough one to get on the right side of after getting on your wrong side...

 

[pharmseller]

Robber ain't dead, as far as Google tells me.

 

[pharmseller]

Damn, Big Pharma... You're a tough one to get on the right side of after getting on your wrong side...

Just havin' fun.

 

[Alexx1401]

Robber ain't dead, as far as Google tells me.

If he survived that he must have been close to some great trauma care. If he lives maybe he will re think this life of crime stuff.

 

[bkroger86]

The news mentioned the perp survived.

 

[Mike_M57]

There's a man that works down at the corner,
At the little brick convenience store there.
The jerky's nearly rectum free,
He sells porno magazines,

And cancer sticks from Lucky to Marlboro.


Cig-rette Asian Man!
Cig-rette Asian Man!
If you try to steal his products,
He'll stab you in the neck.

Cig-rette Asian Man!
Cig-rette Asian Man!
Don't believe me, ask the last guy,
"I'm dead! I'm dead!", he said.

 

[pharmseller]

Rectum?

Damn near killed 'im!

 

[MannyGlocks]

No hand wringing, pearl clutching or second guessing.

The defending man stopped the threat.

End of story.

 

[Jay Walk]

I still believe the Clerk was over this BullSh$zz and just sent it.

 

[Alexx1401]

I still believe the Clerk was just over this BullSh$zz and just sent it.

A LOT of people are too that point. Sadly some of them will get taken through the wringer for it by the same damn people who are allowing the scum to steal.

 

[titsonritz]

I still believe the Clerk was just over this BullSh$zz and just sent it.

I'm ok with that.

 

[titsonritz]

A LOT of people are too that point. Sadly some of them will get taken through the wringer for it by the same damn people who are allowing the scum to steal.

It is a load of crap.

 

[BBQ Guy]

Says the video is private. I cant see it. Anyone have a link to it somewhere else?


ETA, nevermind. Found it.