brand new with only x # of rounds down the pipe

[bionic knees]

come on people, a rifle, or pistol or whatever is not "brand new" with only x # of rounds down the pipe. they can only be brand new one time, fresh from the factory and unfired by the end consumer. let's get this straight once and for all!

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[oremike]

Kind of like "new and improved" it can't be both.

 

[WillametteWill]

And other oxymorons like Glock Perfection...or five generations of attempts anyway.

 

[Andy54Hawken]

Buy the item , not the story .....
Can also apply to condition and not just the "history" of the item.

Something else to consider is that one man's excellent , is another man's fair to poor....
Especially if he is a vendor at gun show....

In any event....
Words used in describing an item in the classifieds are just that....Words.
Which may or may not have the same meaning or understanding for everyone.
No amount of "Why do people do or say that threads " will get 'em to stop.

What does the item look like to you , what does it mean to you / do for you and is the price right ....
May be of more importance.
Andy

 

[P7M13]

Buy the item , not the story .....
Can also apply to condition and not just the "history" of the item.

I did that once. Both were a load of sheite, now gone.

 

[FALshot]

And other oxymorons like Glock Perfection...or five generations of attempts anyway.

Puzzling how so many manufactures have copied Glock.

If you can bring yourself to it, look into what modifications Glock has made to their pistols. I doubt you will find a history of design failures of any significance.

How many modifications has my beloved 1911 had to go though to bring it to where it is today?

My Les Baer 1911 cost me over two thousand dollars. (They're higher now,...) To get a 1911 that is as reliable and accurate as my ugly as H*ll $500.- Glock 21 was right out of the box.

Baer 1911 Custom Carry, 5", .45ACP

$2,439.00​

I adore my 1911's and my Hi-Powers, they will be sold after I pass. But I cannot ignore how remarkable Gaston Glock's creations are.

Glock has nearly perfected a highly robust and reliable, incredibly ugly, affordable, and accurate pistol.

 

[raftman]

I guess it's a bit like "all matching except x, y, and z parts."

 

[Member 53328]

Most firearms are shot at the factory. They are never new…..

 

[slimmer13]

Pretty far down the list of things that grind my gears.

 

[FALshot]

Most firearms are shot at the factory. They are never new…..

I prefer a firearm that has been test fired.

 

[Stomper]

come on people, a rifle, or pistol or whatever is not "brand new" with only x # of rounds down the pipe. they can only be brand new one time, fresh from the factory and unfired by the end consumer. let's get this straight once and for all!

Welp, if a porn-queen can become a born again virgin, why can't a previously shot firearm become born again NIB?

I mean, the analogy of "rounds shot down the pipe" track between the two 100%!

 

[VanceInWA]

come on people, a rifle, or pistol or whatever is not "brand new" with only x # of rounds down the pipe. they can only be brand new one time, fresh from the factory and unfired by the end consumer. let's get this straight once and for all!

And can someone please define "like new" for me? Classified after classified says "like new" or "like new in box." That word "like" is so, you know, like misused. It's like as if we should know what it means, but it's like misleading, ya know? Like enough already. Like come on, man!

 

[Member 53328]

And can someone please define "like new" for me? Classified after classified says "like new" or "like new in box." That word "like" is so, you know, like misused. It's like as if we should know what it means, but it's like misleading, ya know? Like enough already. Like come on, man!

It's a marketing trick that targets stupid people.

 

[pharmseller]

Guaranteed not to go pink in the can.

 

[Spitpatch]

And can someone please define "like new" for me? Classified after classified says "like new" or "like new in box." That word "like" is so, you know, like misused. It's like as if we should know what it means, but it's like misleading, ya know? Like enough already. Like come on, man!

It's a marketing trick that targets stupid people.

Like New In Box (LNIB) or As New in Box: Common, long-recognized descriptors in the gun trade rather than any "marketing ploy" .

The terms describe a gun with no dings, dents or scratches, that upon inspection appears precisely as new, but the seller is aware (and is conveying to the buyer) the gun has been fired (by someone other than the factory it came from). It should include all factory-supplied accessories and documents.

The terms are helpful, in that they supply a description that is between "New" (unfired since the factory and in the box), and "Mint" or "Like New". (no flaws or evidence of wear, but has been fired and has no factory box, papers, or factory supplied accessories).

Hope this helps.

 

[HA556]

How about, "A quicker fixer upper?"

 

[bionic knees]

Like New In Box (LNIB) or As New in Box: Common, long-recognized descriptors in the gun trade rather than any "marketing ploy" .

The terms describe a gun with no dings, dents or scratches, that upon inspection appears precisely as new, but the seller is aware (and is conveying to the buyer) the gun has been fired (by someone other than the factory it came from). It should include all factory-supplied accessories and documents.

The terms are helpful, in that they supply a description that is between "New" (unfired since the factory and in the box), and "Mint" or "Like New". (no flaws or evidence of wear, but has been fired and has no factory box, papers, or factory supplied accessories).

Hope this helps.

I understand and agree with your descriptions, the one that got me going was "brand new, only fifty rounds fired" well I am sorry but that gun is now used, it can be excellent, to like-new condition but you are only a virgin once.

 

[aflineman]

There are a few items I would buy for the history. John Wayne's 45 Colt that was up for auction a couple of years ago comes to mind. Another (which was reasonably priced, and I kick myself for not buying) was a Trapdoor rifle here local to me. Bought by a guy back east as surplus from a hardware store early 1900s (came with the original receipt). It also came with his hand written journal of him walking across the US over the succeeding couple of years. Finally settling in California. Journal was interesting, and mentioned taking game with the rifle both on the trip west, and after he finally settled. I really should have bought this one. Especially since it was a good price...oh well.

 

[Spitpatch]

At a Portland gun show, I sold a Dealer a "Near New" condition Winchester angle eject .44 Magnum. Previous owner to me was a friend who had put a fine set of XS sights on it (and carefully saved the original buckhorn and front, and they went to the Dealer as well).

30 minutes later, as I strolled by the table I saw "New in the Box" on a label for THAT gun, now in a (correct, but of course not original) box, the buckhorns re-attached.

This explained why that Dealer was willing to pay very nearly my asking price for the used gun (he had a box).

Having some time to kill, and pretty well done with the rest of the show, I camped out near his table, cheerfully and not quietly informing all persons expressing interest of the guns true condition. I also told them a nice set of XS sights may be available behind the table.

Repeated hostile glares from the Dealer (and the conversations between him and potential customers) were my reward.

Had this occurred at a show in Montana where I was familiar with the Show Chairman, I'd have reported his shenanigans, and those boys would have fixed it (or him) toot sweet.

 

[WillametteWill]

Puzzling how so many manufactures have copied Glock.

If you can bring yourself to it, look into what modification Glock has made ton their pistols. I doubt you will find a history of design failures of any significance.

How many modification has my beloved 1911 had to go though to bring it to where it is today?

Not bashing Glocks, just their marketing phrases. They are incongruous to me (perfection, yet Gen 5). Most Glock owners I've met are happy with their choice; awesome for them. I won't jump the shark and derail another thread into a Glock bash. Keeping with the origin of this thread of statements / marketing that do not seem to hold true to their word, both Vortex and Glock do come to mind however. (Vortex, they have an amazing lifetime warrantee...because you will need it.)

It reminds me of early Japanese import cars. In the 70's and 80's I know many folks that told me how good their imports were compared to my Chevys. Then they would proceed to tell me they only had to replace the brakes (3x as often as I did), oh, and this once or twice. Mine always seemed to live twice as long as theirs as well. Marketing.

There is plenty of this with both used, resale (NIB...ish) and new projects (our product will make you run faster and jump higher). Caveat Emptor.