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Border Patrol Recalling M4's Leaving Troops To Share Rifles

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by 3MTA3, Nov 12, 2014.

  1. 3MTA3

    3MTA3 DMZ between Liberty and Tyranny Behind Enemy Lines Bronze Supporter

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    The issue is fixed by replacing the firing pin, the Border Patrol insists on having the pin replaced by an armorer instead of allowing the troops to perform a 5 minute task requiring no tools or adjustment..

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/11/1...s-say-agencys-gun-recall-puts-them-in-danger/

    Border Patrol officials have pulled thousands of rifles from field agents in a large-scale effort to refurbish the weaponry, prompting the rank-and-file to complain that they've been left with the dangerous options of sharing guns or being disarmed altogether.

    Nearly one-third of the U.S. Customs and Border Protection's 16,300 M4 carbine rifles were tested by the agency's office of training and development, which determined that more than 2,000 had the potential for malfunction. The rate of nearly 40 percent was "more than we are comfortable with,” said CBP Deputy Chief Ron Vitiello.

    "Our top priority is to make sure our agents are safe,” said Vitiello, adding that the agency intends to eventually cycle through all of the rifles to ensure that those in need of repair are fixed. “They will be like new when they are refurbished.”

    But in the meantime, Border Patrol agents are dubious about the department's claims, given that the guns' manufacturer, Colt, has not issued a recall. And they are vehemently opposed to "pool guns" -- weapons shared by two or more agents.

    "They are basically disarmed.”
    - Jeff Prather, operator of the Warrior School

    “We’d like to know why the rifles were recalled and when they will be returned,” Shawn Moran, spokesman for National Border Patrol Council, the union which represents agents, told FoxNews.com. “Our agency is trying to figure out why they were pulled."

    The M4 carbine is one of several rifles derived from the M16. It is shorter and lighter than the M16, is powered by a gas impingement system and can fire 5.56×45mm ammunition in three-round bursts. Already heavily used by the U.S. military, the M4 will eventually replace the M16. Although Colt was the original manufacturer, versions are now made by such gunmakers as Bushmaster and Remington.

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    The Border Patrol has more than 16,000 of the M4 carbines, but has pulled thousands and slated them for refurbishing.

    Moran said there is potential danger for agents relying on rifles shared with others, noting the importance of personalizing settings and having a general familiarity with a personal weapon.

    “You don’t want a weapon that is zeroed in to someone else,” he said. “You don’t share guns and you don’t share needles because both could end with people dying.

    “We work in areas and situations where having these rifles could be a matter of life or death,” he added.

    Customs and Border Protection officials said the scrutiny of the M4 carbines throughout the nation's Border Patrol sectors will continue until all have been inspected and, if necessary, repaired or replaced. He defended the use of pool guns to ensure each sector's armory was stocked.

    But the agents' concerns are valid, one law enforcement expert told FoxNews.com.

    “They are losing 40 to 50 percent of their M4s," said Jeff Prather, a former Drug Enforcement Administration agent who now runs the Warrior School, an independent law-enforcement training facility in Tucson. "They are basically disarmed.”

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    Border Patrol agents say sharing guns is a bad idea along the Mexican border. (AP) (Reuters)

    Agents already risk being outgunned on the border, where powerful cartels are entrenched and armed to the teeth, said Prather, adding that agents have privately expressed their concerns to him.

    “If they are less prepared, they are going to be less inclined to engage,” Prather said. “It’s a real concern, especially if they are telling me about it.”

    Prather, who used the M4 throughout his law-enforcement career, said the weapon is “very robust” and that any issues found in the Border Patrol inspections are likely simple fixes.

    “All you need to do is pull out the old firing pin and put in the new one and the rifle is ready to go,” he said.

    Vitiello said that may be the case, but the work must be done by a specialist.

    “It may be easy to replace a firing pin, but these are things that should be done by a professional,” he said.​
     
  2. Just Jim

    Just Jim Well-Known Member

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    Wonder how many guys here keep a spare parts kit?o_O
     
  3. Joe13

    Joe13 NW of Vancouver Opinionated & Blunt Bronze Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    So send all the working rifles to the south border and leave the broken ones up here...

    I would like to see the stats on how many times a firearm is actually fired in the line of duty at the border.
     
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  4. Gator Monroe

    Gator Monroe Southern Cascades Well-Known Member

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    I would like to see the stats on how many times a firearm is actually fired in the line of duty at the border.[/QUOTE]
    Me too , any usage of Firearms would have to be first considered a "Racis Act" !
     
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  5. Caveman Jim

    Caveman Jim West of Oly Springer Slayer 2016 Volunteer

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    I DO.....:cool:
     
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  6. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    I've got enough parts kits to fully rebuild 3 of 6 AR's I currently have.

    :eek:
     
  7. 3MTA3

    3MTA3 DMZ between Liberty and Tyranny Behind Enemy Lines Bronze Supporter

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    I just love how we are disarming the border patrol agents for "their own safety" and won't let them make a simple drop in 5 minute fix.
     
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  8. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    It's how the socialist mind works... no operating outside your designation.
     
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  9. Garg

    Garg east of portland metro Hold my beer..... watch this Bronze Supporter

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    That is a load of carp. If you cannot change out a firing pin, IMHO you have no business operating in the field with an M4.:(
     
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  10. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    As its ALREADY part of the basic field-stripping procedure their rationale is ludicrous, and merely PROVES that political appointees (who are clueless beyond a keyboard) are running the "show".
     
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  11. Garg

    Garg east of portland metro Hold my beer..... watch this Bronze Supporter

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    exactly. there has to be more going on here. maybe a barrel change or other significant repair needed.
     
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  12. Caveman Jim

    Caveman Jim West of Oly Springer Slayer 2016 Volunteer

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    You know how the Gov works, the blind leads the blind.... :eek:
    Everything thet touch turns to s)h)lto_O
    They couldn't govern themselves out of a brown paper bag....
     
  13. ZA_Survivalist

    ZA_Survivalist Oregon AK's all day.

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    "Refurbishing" my bubblegum.

    Disarming half the patrols allows for even more illegals and even some shady characters slip on by or fight their way out of a sticky situation with border patrol.

    All of this is by design.. It sounds crazy but who spread the word to all those illegal children to come on over?
    Who let them in by mass, not just trickles.. Massive waves of infected little contagious incubators?

    Now we're disarming folks who should be more armed than our local law enforcement due to the severity and viciousness of cartel smugglers and coyotes..

    Pretty sure this is just another part in the grand plan.
     
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  14. Sstrand

    Sstrand La Grande OR Well-Known Member

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    Hey, Wait a minute . . . Didn't you see the emperor's picture? he is in China wearing a . . . MAO suit.
    And how about the picture of him walking with PUTIN'S hand on his arm. COINCIDENCE???

    Do you suppose there is some funny business going on here??? Hhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmm!?!?!?

    Sheldon
     
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  15. Caveman Jim

    Caveman Jim West of Oly Springer Slayer 2016 Volunteer

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    You do remember his name was "Bathhouse Barry" when he was a young and upcoming homosexual didn't you.o_O
     
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  16. erudne

    erudne The Pie Matrix PPL Say Sleeping W/Your Rifle Is A bad Thing? Bronze Supporter

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    Just as 75% of Afghanistan causalities occurred under Barry Hussein the southern border will become a killing ground for Americans, IEDs and VBIEDs soon.
    Keep in mind Hussein still has 2 years
     
  17. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    A two-mile wide minefield with controlled access thoroughfares are the answer.
     
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  18. clearconscience

    clearconscience Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    So they don't trust these guys removing a firing pin and putting in a new one?
    So who cleans their guns after training?
    Maybe that's why they have been failing no one pulls the pin and cleans the gunk off.

    Why not just send them an entire BCG?
    And how do they know those are defective? Did one fail?
    If I was those guys I would just bring my own from home
     
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  19. Just Jim

    Just Jim Well-Known Member

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    Interesting that obama is about to open the borders while they take away the border patrols ability to defend it.o_O
     
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  20. 3MTA3

    3MTA3 DMZ between Liberty and Tyranny Behind Enemy Lines Bronze Supporter

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    If it were me I'd consider it an opportunity to swap the M-4's out with SCAR 17's and go to a one shot one kill strategy as oppose to spray and pray. Then again if it were up to me I'd also sell Cartel tags to the sheepdogs in the border states and provide 50 cal and 338 Lapua sniper setups.