Poll: Bolt-guns obsolete?

[Member 52301]

Gun Jesus

He thinks that he is. LOL

My husband is still LOL when I played the second video.

Cate

 

[bionic knees]

I haven't been bitten by the ar/ak bug, I like my bolt guns but that being said I do have an autoloader, a lever gun, and a couple of pumps,

 

[coop44]

After some thought, I think if I had a good magnum caliber bolt gun for long range and anti materiel use and a semi auto for anti personnel use I would be set. 2 guns would be a bit much to hump, but doable.

 

[revjen45]

I would compare the bolt gun to the stick shift. One's skillset should include both.

 

[The Heretic]

He thinks that he is. LOL

I think the internet gave him that moniker and he ran with it. He knows a LOT about guns.

 

[Member 52301]

I think the internet gave him that moniker and he ran with it. He knows a LOT about guns.

Okay...

Thanks for the information.

My husband was still laughing as he went out the door for his walk.

Cate

 

[Member 52301]

I would compare the bolt gun to the stick shift. One's skillset should include both.

Yes. (Throw in lever action rifles too!)

I ALWAYS owned and bought stick shift cars and trucks.

I learned to drive using a stick shift. You could drive any transmission if you took your test using a manual transmission. But if you took your test using an automatic transmission - your MD DL would be marked ONLY for that.

The last vehicle which I sold was an SUV, not mine - it was my late husband's, and one of the LAST three vehicles left from back there.

I don't even remember how many speeds for the automatic - it had SEVERAL - lol.

He only ever owned 2 vehicles out of many that had an automatic transmission too.
ALL of the others were a stick shift.

ALL of the tractors, etc. were stick shift too. From a 1942 one that he fixed up to modern ones.

I hardly EVER DROVE that SUV and it had very low miles on it too. I kept reaching for the FLOOR TO SHIFT A MANUAL TRANSMISSION and my left foot always wanted to go to a CLUTCH that was not there. LOL

Cate

 

[Diamondback]

Re "obsolete"... good arrows help but at the end of the day it's still the skill of the Indian. A centerpunched scumbag getting up and saying "Yeah, he ONLY shot me with a Brown Bess musket!" is right up there with Unicorns Humping in the "Things You Will Never See" department... doesn't make Brown Bess the best choice for any job outside reenacting, just means that you shouldn't casually dismiss ANY weapon especially one potentially pointed at you.

 

[leverite]

Yes...pump actions made bolt guns obsolete with faster follow-up shots than a semi auto.
;>)

 

[CLT65]

You really need to watch the video to understand the context of the "bolt actions are obsolete" claim.

They weren't saying that bolt actions in general civilian use are obsolete, just that bolt actions as a main infantry weapon issued to soldiers in a military force are obsolete. Could Mausers, Mosins, or Enfield compare with FALs or M16s in that context? Of course not.

In that specific context, bolt actions were obsolete a long time ago.

 

[CLT65]

I enjoy the Forgotten Weapons videos. Ian is a total gun nerd, and I appreciate that. I don't watch his videos because I think he's the final word in all things firearms or anything like that. I watch them because they're interesting and entertaining.

 

[Andy54Hawken]

If we are going with a Military use....
Having been shot at with various Mauser , Mosin Nagant and Lee Enfield rifles...
I can say that they still work for the job at hand...saw too many others get hit , wounded or dead by those who used them.

Now I am not saying that any of the above ought to replace the M16 / M4 series of rifles we have...
Just saying that any rifle in the hands of someone who is willing to use it ...is not obsolete in my book.

Others may differ...and that is fine , for them...but I still remain with my opinion.
Andy

 

[Member 34319]

I keep looking at this thing, probably should just buy it before it goes out of stock like everything else. Definitely makes them not obsolete to me!

Mossberg MVP Patrol 300 Blackout Bolt-Action Rifle with 16.25 Inch Barrel

Mossberg: MVP Patrol 300 Blackout Bolt-Action Rifle with 16.25 Inch Barrel for sale at Sportsman's Outdoor Superstore.

www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore.com

 

[CLT65]

If we are going with a Military use....
Having been shot at with various Mauser , Mosin Nagant and Lee Enfield rifles...
I can say that they still work for the job at hand...saw too many others get hit , wounded or dead by those who used them.

Now I am not saying that any of the above ought to replace the M16 / M4 series of rifles we have...
Just saying that any rifle in the hands of someone who is willing to use it ...is not obsolete in my book.

Others may differ...and that is fine , for them...but I still remain with my opinion.
Andy

I understand what you're saying, and agree to a large extent, but I think we're talking apples and oranges a little bit.

Just because something is obsolete, doesn't mean it isn't still usable. The word "obsolete" I've noticed is controversial, and tends to bring about emotional reactions from some people (not directed at you Andy). I certainly don't mean it in any derogatory way. Even a flintlock is as deadly as it ever was, and I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of one.

For example, I was once talking to a collector and we were looking at a WWII jeep. I said something about them being obsolete and he took offense. No way, he said, they're still a great little vehicle, and good and useful as they ever were.

No argument there, but from a factual, practical, military perspective, the venerable old jeep is absolutely obsolete.

Obsolete: adjective 1. no longer produced or used; out of date

Fact- Front line bolt-action, infantry rifles are no longer produced or issued and used, by any major military force for their original purpose. By modern military standards, they are very much out of date. They are the very definition of obsolete, for that particular purpose. As much as I hate to say it, the same goes for flintlocks, cap-and-ball revolvers, and trapdoor Springfields, and any number of other firearms that I absolutely love to own and shoot. They're not obsolete for my purposes.

I once got into a similar disagreement by calling the M1 Garand obsolete. I have, well, more than one M1, and I'm a huge fan, but they are also absolutely, definitely obsolete for their original purpose. I still like them, and they're still a very effective, useful rifle, but the reality is that they are no longer produced or issued as a front line infantry rifle anywhere in the world in the 21st century. Why not? They're obsolete.

The 1911 is a little bit different. You would think it should be obsolete by now (and some Glock fans will insist that it is), but even by strict definition it is not. More 1911s are made now than ever. It's widely used not only by civilians, but it still has a presence in law enforcement in many places, and even a limited military role (I've been told). That's pretty impressive for a 110 year old design.

Modern bolt action hunting rifles, on the other hand, are absolutely not obsolete. They are widely produced and used for their intended purpose. Some may argue they're out of date, but that's pretty subjective, and you can't argue with production and usage. Some say that revolvers are obsolete. Well, maybe for military use, but otherwise heck no!

The word "obsolete" is pretty subjective in itself. You have to ask by what standard, and for what purpose? As Andy mentioned, for the Afghani hiding in a cave with his ratty WWI-era SMLE, that old rifle suits his needs for the moment and is quite useful. His cousin in the next village over is probably hammering out crude copies of it as we type! Hard to call it truly obsolete from that perspective.

 

[CountryGent]

I keep looking at this thing, probably should just buy it before it goes out of stock like everything else. Definitely makes them not obsolete to me!

Mossberg MVP Patrol 300 Blackout Bolt-Action Rifle with 16.25 Inch Barrel

Mossberg: MVP Patrol 300 Blackout Bolt-Action Rifle with 16.25 Inch Barrel for sale at Sportsman's Outdoor Superstore.

www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore.com

Neat-o. Do they make them in 5.56㎜ and with wood stocks?

 

[titsonritz]

I'm going to say no bolt actions are not obsolete, because $50 million is a lot of cheese to be blowing on an obsolete weapon. The bona fides...

New Army sniper weapon system contract awarded to Barrett Firearms

Barrett's MRAD will be the Army and Marine Corps' new standard sniper rifle

 

[titsonritz]

Not really a fan of "In Range" or "Forgotten Weapons"...so
I took a page from Certaindeaf's book , and....Didn't click.

I didn't click either. I can't stand "In Range" but I do like "Forgotten Weapons" for the information.

 

[Member 34319]

Neat-o. Do they make them in 5.56㎜ and with wood stocks?

Yes and yes. Technically the black one is a wood stock too, just painted.

 

[CountryGent]

Yes and yes. Technically the black one is a wood stock too, just painted.

¡Muchas gracias! Those do look of interest. (Though mental fixation in recent time is set on carbine antics that I hope to kick around later. However later; at present mind preoccupied with evening technical labors, accompanied by the whirl and rush of little ones and wifely sidekick. But, I digress. Well wishes, my friend. )

 

[oremike]

When Paul Revere rides down the street yelling the Jack-Booted thugs are coming or whatever I'm grabbing my 300 Win Mag as a first choice.