Black Folk Don't Join the NRA?

[rufus]

What?? :huh:

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[accessbob]

I find it interesting how each one of them doesn't know their history around the NRA and blacks. They don't understand (probably never heard) that the NRA was actually instrumental in making sure blacks had gun rights and that it was the Democratic party which was really the party which oppressed them for the longest time. It is sad to see how history is ignored or not taught.

 

[MTpockets]

I find it interesting how each one of them doesn't know their history around the NRA and blacks. They don't understand (probably never heard) that the NRA was actually instrumental in making sure blacks had gun rights and that it was the Democratic party which was really the party which oppressed them for the longest time. It is sad to see how history is ignored or not taught.

Was that when the Democrat Party had a more conservative agenda and the Republican Party a more liberal one? Just asking because my memory is getting bad.

Strange video though.

 

[2506]

Was that when the Democrat Party had a more conservative agenda and the Republican Party a more liberal one? Just asking because my memory is getting bad.

Strange video though.

I think it's less of that and more that the Republican party at the time was much more centrist. Recall, it was Nixon who create the EPA, OSHA, championed affirmative action and:

"Social Security benefits, a cornerstone of the Democratic Party platform, were also crucial to Nixon's policies. He ushered in a minimum tax on the wealthy and supported a guaranteed income for all Americans, a move that would rile today's Republicans to unprecedented heights.

And finally, consider health care: Nixon's proposed reform would have required employers to buy health insurance for their employees and subsidize those who couldn't afford it. Nixon's version of national health care was a far more liberal concept than Bill Clinton's or Barack Obama's—and it failed because of Democratic opposition, not lack of support from Nixon's own party."

 

[2506]

This is interesting as well:

The Black Panthers And The Right To Bear Arms - disinformation

 

[Dunerunner]

If anything, black Americans should embrace the 2A. Keeps them safe in their homes. Perhaps the counter message isn't getting out?

 

[2506]

If anything, black Americans should embrace the 2A. Keeps them safe in their homes. Perhaps the counter message isn't getting out?

Just because they aren't joining the NRA does not mean they don't embrace their rights.

 

[MTpockets]

I think it's less of that and more that the Republican party at the time was much more centrist. Recall, it was Nixon who create the EPA, OSHA, championed affirmative action and:

"Social Security benefits, ......"

Thank You. It will give me a topic to read on.

 

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1. The NRA was originally not a civil rights organization.

The NRA was founded in 1871 after the Civil War by Army and Navy Journal editor William Conant Church and General George Wood Wingate of the Union Army, who were both dismayed at the horrible accuracy of Union soldiers during the Civil War. The original purpose of the organization was for rifle marksmanship training. However despite this, the NRA is the oldest civil rights organization in the United States.

2. The NRA has a history of being for gun control.

In 1934, the NRA supported the National Firearms Act, which served to regulate and tax firearms that were considered used by gangsters at the time. They also supported the Gun Control Act of 1968, which expanded on the system to license firearm dealers and prohibit criminals and those with mental impairments from owning firearms.

3. The NRA has a history of supporting the Civil Rights Movement.

While African Americans were being terrorized by the Ku Klux Klan, where the Klan were sometimes aided by local law enforcement, the NRA setup charters to help train local African American communities to be able protect themselves. The most prominent case being in 1960 in Monroe, N.C. where the local National Association for the Advancement of Colored People head Robert Williams also chartered an NRA Rifle Club that successfully defended an assault on one of their leader's homes by the KKK without casualties.

4. The NRA is active in wildlife conservation.

The NRA supports wildlife conservation through efforts to open lands up to managed hunting. For example, under the Pittman-Robertson Act of 1937, proceeds obtained through a tax on hunting firearms and ammo were used specifically to research and rebuild a vast array of wildlife species and habitats. Today, the NRA continues to seek expansion on these measures. It's worth noting that the proceeds from taxes and licensing go to support the governmental agencies charged with environmental research and conservation management, as "little funding comes from taxes paid by the general public."

5. The NRA offers extensive firearms training programs.

The organization offers training programs for civilians as well as law enforcement. The training programs offered are even recognized by law enforcement as acceptable to fulfill the training requirement for concealed carry licenses (CCW). Today, the NRA has trained over 10,000 police and security firearm instructors and 55,000 certified instructors who in turn train roughly 750,000 people a year. (This is now much higher at over 11,000 police and security firearm instructors and 93,000 certified instructors.)

6. The Eddie Eagle GunSafe program is used to promote gun safety to minors.

To date, the organization's Eddie Eagle GunSafe program has reached over 25 million kids. The main message of the program is to teach kids that should they find a firearm that they should "stop, don't touch, leave the area, and tell an adult." Despite the program's message, gun control advocates (such as the Violence Policy Center) liken the program to the late cigarette mascot "Joe Camel."

7. A majority of Americans have a favorable image of the NRA.

According to a recent Gallup poll, 54% of Americans hold a favorable view of the NRA, while 38% have an unfavorable view. Putting this in perspective, a more recent Gallup poll shows President Obama holds a 51% approval rating, while 43% disapprove.

8. The NRA has 3 separate organizations.

The NRA has three separate bodies. The NRA of America is mainly concerned with promoting training, education, and safety. The NRA-ILA is the lobbying arm of the organization. And the NRA Foundation is the the charitable arm of the organization.

9. Funding for the NRA might surprise you

According to FactCheck.org, nearly half of the funding for the NRA comes from membership dues alone. Voluntary donations to the NRA, however, still account for a majority portion of the remaining funding. This includes voluntary donations made during gun purchases at the point of sale as well as programs like the "round-up" campaign, operated by the NRA-ILA and retailers, where consumers can round a purchase up to the nearest dollar for donation to support lobbying efforts. With that said, gun manufacturers do donate to the NRA as well. For example, Sturm, Ruger, and Co., ran the "Million Gun Challenge" in 2011, which directly ties gun sales to donations with the target being one million dollars.

10. Current stance on gun Control

The NRA's current stance on gun control is to enforce existing laws more aggressively. In 2008, in response to the Virgina Tech shooting, the NRA helped to pass the "NICS Improvement Act," which would provide increased funding and grants to states to report vital information to the National Instant Background Check System (NICS), such as mental health. The NICS is used for background checks of potential gun buyers. Unfortunately, the system has been woefully underfunded (receiving only 5.3% of the authorized funding) and reporting has been lackluster. In addition, the NRA has pointed out that those who lie on their background checks when purchasing firearms are for the most part not prosecuted. In response to this, Vice President Biden claimed that they "don't have the time" to prosecute such violations, which, by the way, carries a minimum 5 year federal sentence, if convicted under the Gun Control Act of 1968.

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[JackThompson]

I don't understand why things that aren't about race need to be painted out to be about race.

I had never considered whether black folks should/would/could join the NRA or not.

I wouldn't have batted an eye at going to an NRA convention and seeing black/indian/asian/hispanic/white people all in the same room...

It sickens me to see someone (I have no idea who, but someone with an agenda that doesn't help the black community) using people like that.

 

[simon99]

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[Burt Gummer]

^^ One of the best pro-gun 2A guys out there. Smart and articulate. Subscribed a while back.

Colion Noir - YouTube

The guy loves to shoot and injects a lot of good humor in his shooting videos (specifically).

 

[Lebowski]

Colion Noir's page is on my list of "visit every day" sites.

Easily one of the most level headed and funny pro gun guys out there. Probably identify with him more then most others.

My only beef is he seems to have no real sports loyalties. Different team hat every video. But all kidding aside, we absolutely need more people like him who the youth of the nation can actually identify with somewhat and might spur them to logical evaluation of their preconceived notions as dictated by popular media.

 

[gcban]

I normally never respond to stuff like this but feel this time I need to.

Well as a "Black Folk" thanks for the good laugh! I have been a hunter, a prior law enforcement officer and an NRA member off and on since the 70's. What I see and have seen is the same race baiting stereotypic narrative that Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and alot of the other so called "Black" community leaders spew out that drives the "NRA and all guns are bad" narrative to the Black community.

When I entered the academy in the late 1970's I was the only black cadet in a class of 67 cadets in a large metropolitan city. That was the norm not the exception. Was it because of discrimination? No. It was because law enforcement was not a job that "Black Folk" traditionally strived for. Even my parents hated the fact that I took that career because they (very traditional Black beliefs) did not trust police and hated firearms. After listening to them talk about their experiences growing up I may have felt the same way, but I didn't. I decided that I would base my notions about the way things were on my own experiences, not my parents. My Godfather was a police officer (Black Folk also) and as a kid he opened my eyes to the world to fishing, hunting and law enforcement.

Where I'm going with this is that this is a deep seeded generational thing among "Black Folk" especially in large black populated metropolitan areas of major cities. Like the Hatfield and McCoy battle, the narrative about what they don't like on many social subjects is usually nothing more than the verbal regurgitation of the narrative that has been passed down from generation to generation and usually does not come from their own personal experiences. As the one guy in that video said "I have never shot a gun, I was always afraid I would hurt someone" I would bet that most the people in that video fall into the same category as would many non-Black Folk would the same. With a lack of an actual experience and an ignorance of the subject matter, uninformed minds are easily swayed, regardless of race. Black folk out, be safe!

 

[Dunerunner]

Exactly! I've found, as you said, many of the anti gun crowd are afraid of firearms. As a result, they live without them and accept the demonization presented by the media and their non-gun friends. The truth about guns and gun ownership needs to get out much more than it does currently.

 

[OLDNEWBIE]

What I came away with from that vid was that "Black Folk", (what an annoying term BTW) are open to guns but think the NRA is racist or an all white club or something. Some in the vid were of course anti-gun libs who use the race card to make just about any point about anything.

 

[semperfi68to70]

I am looking forward to the day when we stop dividing ourselves up into sub-groups. I am white, but I don't think of myself as part of a "white community". I am not an NRA member for my own personal reasons, but I am very pro 2A. I served in my beloved Corps, but respect all who served in any branch of the military. I respect those who did not serve as well. I hate the race baiters both black and white who feel they must divide us and I do not like people because they are the same color as me or dislike them because they are not. I will not cut you an inch of slack because you're black or because you're white. I wish we could get over the race crap.

Sorry, I get frustrated sometimes. Off of soapbox now.

 

[Dunerunner]

No need to be sorry! Great post!

 

[gcban]

I am looking forward to the day when we stop dividing ourselves up into sub-groups. I am white, but I don't think of myself as part of a "white community". I am not an NRA member for my own personal reasons, but I am very pro 2A. I served in my beloved Corps, but respect all who served in any branch of the military. I respect those who did not serve as well. I hate the race baiters both black and white who feel they must divide us and I do not like people because they are the same color as me or dislike them because they are not. I will not cut you an inch of slack because you're black or because you're white. I wish we could get over the race crap.

Sorry, I get frustrated sometimes. Off of soapbox now.

Agreed Semperfi68to70, agreed. There will always be those people who feel we must divide and sub-group. Like you I am merely a proud American citizen and support this great nation and our Constituion. Even though both my parents were very jaded in their thinking of race relations, they did not raise me to be that way in fact just the opposite, and for that I'm greatful. I treat people the way I would expect them to treat me. (I did write my own father a parking ticket once for parking in a fire lane and he never gave me grief over it). Also thanks for your service to our country. Be safe!

 

[JackThompson]

I am looking forward to the day when we stop dividing ourselves up into sub-groups. I am white, but I don't think of myself as part of a "white community". I am not an NRA member for my own personal reasons, but I am very pro 2A. I served in my beloved Corps, but respect all who served in any branch of the military. I respect those who did not serve as well. I hate the race baiters both black and white who feel they must divide us and I do not like people because they are the same color as me or dislike them because they are not. I will not cut you an inch of slack because you're black or because you're white. I wish we could get over the race crap.

Sorry, I get frustrated sometimes. Off of soapbox now.

There is one grave error in your otherwise excellent post.

"the day when we stop dividing ourselves up into sub-groups"

Replace that sentence with "the day when we all realize that our masters keep us ALL down by poisoning our culture(s) and keeping us divided into sub-groups"

A house divided against itself cannot stand.

The powers that be know this rule/law/truism very well, and make sure that every time we (The every-colored people) start to amass our collective power against them they bring out abortion, gay marriage, racism, religion, violence, healthcare, <Insert anything that will make the people fight each other instead of rise up> so we keep our attention focused elsewhere and continue to turn the screws against us.

Divide your enemy's house against itself and it will not stand. <- Is their credo, and it works so effectively that those of us that don't fall for this tactic are swept aside by the tsunami of masses that do.