Bill Gives Attorney General Power To Designate Gun Owners, Tax Protesters As Terroris

It's atrocious, and expected.

 

Really? What are you basing that little bit of hyperbole upon? The one tiny paragraph entered into consideration that states people associated with hate "groups" cannot be enlisted in military service? It does not mention anything about labeling "individuals" as anything. Please elaborate on your reasoning.

 

Where in the bill does it say that?

 

Once again...where does it say that? I am guessing you must be very familiar with it and not just running around in hysterics over something you heard. Please give some details.

 

You are not to busy to go around all willy-nilly in a tither. I would think you would get your information straight before doing that...not after.

 

Here's the actual bill: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-2647

The section described in the "prisonplanet.com" description linked by the OP is section 524. When you've read the actual statute, chime in.

BTW, why would you trust a description of legislation from a website called "prisonplanet.com" without actually reading the legislation? Are you that easily manipulated? Not surprisingly, the discription of the bill in the "article" isn't even close.

FWIW: The bill itself simply bans members of hate groups (NOT defined as normal gun owners) from serving in the armed services. But don't take my word for it. Read the freakin' bill before commenting on it. Sheesh.

"I read it on the internet, so I believe it" is a very bad personal philosophy.

 

Wow.

 

aranoid: what's wrong with believing everything on the internet? If we can't believe in the internet, what can we believe in? Fox news? But seriously, People need to be informed of what our government is up to. Our government is acting in a rogue fashion, completely outside the bounds of its constitutional authority. I think the OP is trying to alert us of the potential future in store for us.

 

If we bash each other and the current administration in this forum, does that make us a hate group? Or just an angry group? I'd hate to miss out on my chance to join the coast guard. Damn- I meant to type "disappointed to miss out..." :laugh:

 

I'm all for raising the alarm bells. But people shouldn't set them off without good information.

 

I am worried that this government put this in publication:

"Rightwing extremists have capitalized on the election of the first
African American president, and are focusing their efforts to recruit new
members, mobilize existing supporters, and broaden their scope and appeal
through propaganda, but they have not yet turned to attack planning."

"Threats from white supremacist and violent antigovernment groups
during 2009 have been largely rhetorical and have not indicated plans to carry
out violent acts. Nevertheless, the consequences of a prolonged economic
downturn—including real estate foreclosures, unemployment, and an inability
to obtain credit—could create a fertile recruiting environment for rightwing
extremists and even result in confrontations between such groups and
government authorities similar to those in the past."

"The current economic and political climate has some similarities to the
1990s when rightwing extremism experienced a resurgence fueled largely by an economic recession, criticism about the outsourcing of jobs, and the perceived threat to U.S. power and sovereignty by other foreign powers."

"The possible passage of new restrictions on firearms and the return of
military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks."

"Proposed imposition of firearms restrictions and weapons bans likely would attract new members into the ranks of rightwing extremist groups, as well as potentially spur some of them to begin planning and training for violence against the government. The high volume of purchases and stockpiling of weapons and ammunition by rightwing extremists in anticipation of restrictions and bans in some parts of the country continue to be a primary
concern to law enforcement."

"Returning veterans possess combat skills and experience that are
attractive to rightwing extremists. DHS/I&A is concerned that rightwing
extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize returning veterans in order to
boost their violent capabilities."


Now these statements made by this government is a little off. If this does not concern anyone something is wrong. I fit the whole list acording to HS. Oh well at least I know the truth.

 

Remind me again of which administration enacted the Patriot Act?
Or is it too painful to reflect on the basic rights we lost then as opposed to some trivial ones we may lose in the future...?

 

LOL!:laugh: Genius! Pure genius! Divide and conquer. This reaction is a textbook example of how it works. Somehow we are divided into two imaginary groups of people in this nation, although we are much closer than we are led to believe. Most of us get so caught up in who's party is totally right, that we don't see that neither is! The longer we fight amongst ourselves instead of addressing the real issues facing us, the worse things are going to get.

In case you didn't figure it out, I do not let a party define me. I am not a Republican or a Democrat. I judge each and every issue and candidate for what they are instead of who they are associated with. If my candidate doesn't perform well, I have no problems with kicking him out and putting someone else in that represents up better. It's time to find common ground and work together. Remember the saying "United we stand, divided we fall". We are witnessing it right now.

By the way, no rights are trivial.

 

I guess I'm growing tired of folks claiming that the sky is falling with respect to individual rights under the current administration when the last administration gutted them so utterly deeply that you and I will likely never get them back. I'm on your side when it comes to a loathing of political parties or drawing a clear line of distiction between one administration to another. You are correct in that none of our rights are trivial but I'm not goin to support the whining and shock and horror as more are threatened when the same folks doing the whining likely, and enthusiastically, supported the last batch of ba$tards that were in power- is like closing the barn door after the cows have gone.

 

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This was a question / answer with Conservative Bookstore and Dave Kopel, which pretty much sums up my point of view on the area of rights:

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CB: The NRA and the ACLU in many ways represent opposite ends of the political spectrum. How do square your membership in these two organizations?

DAVE KOPEL: When the NRA and the ACLU stray from their Bill of Rights foundations, they _are_ at opposite ends of the spectrum. The ACLU pushes leftist cultural causes, while the NRA runs ads bashing people for voting against the flag-burning amendment. But when the NRA and the ACLU are true to their better selves, the two groups have exactly the same political stance: in defense of our magnificent Constitution. The Founding Fathers saw the Bill of Rights as a single splendid tapestry, with each right reinforcing and protecting the rest. For example, the Tenth Amendment guarantee of state autonomy reduces the ability of the federal government to conscript local law enforcement into enforcing federal laws which violate the Second and Fourth Amendments--like the Brady Act.

The idea that there are some constitutional rights for liberals (speech, privacy, no religious establishment) and others for conservatives (property, guns, state autonomy) is a late 20th-century cultural conceit. It's one of the gravest mutual errors of late 20th century liberals _and_ conservatives.

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I'm going to use that last bit in bold as my signature.